RE: Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far
Discussion
Grovsie26 said:
Wow. A Maranello V12 at 9200rpm. Oh dear Mclaren.
I wonder how much to ditch the electric crap and just have the V12? lol.
'bout £800KI wonder how much to ditch the electric crap and just have the V12? lol.
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Grovsie26 said:
Wow. A Maranello V12 at 9200rpm. Oh dear Mclaren.
I don't think McLaren will care. All the Ferrari owners will be keeping their cars under a silk red car cover. When they do drive them, they will be so paranoid about adding miles on to the clock they will frequently "rest" the car so that they don't add do more than 1000 miles a year.In short, the Ferrari is not a competitor to the McLaren because the Ferrari will seldom leave the owners garage. Given the number of Enzo's out there with less than 10,000 miles on them over many years of ownership, I think that much is inevitable.
toppstuff said:
Grovsie26 said:
Wow. A Maranello V12 at 9200rpm. Oh dear Mclaren.
I don't think McLaren will care. All the Ferrari owners will be keeping their cars under a silk red car cover. When they do drive them, they will be so paranoid about adding miles on to the clock they will frequently "rest" the car so that they don't add do more than 1000 miles a year.dunc_sx said:
It's easy to forget the M600 when discussing modern super cars and wishing they left the PC electric gubbins out, I like the ethos of the Noble and it'd be my modern pick if given the chance 
Dunc.
Good call. I agree. A "bargain" at about 250k. I hope they are thriving. The carbon work on that car is beautiful and I like a manual gearbox.Dunc.
The M600 is a far cry from these hyper-car tech-fests however.
There is a lot of rubbish on here...there are quite a few Ferrari hypercars that have done a significant mileage-288GTO, F40 and F50 as well as several Enzo's. Yes there are some bought as trophys/investments, but they are the exception. Mileage will have some effect, but a delivery mileage car will have some issues that will need resolving due to lack of use-they are cars and are designed to be used. Ferrari have several types of client and only the top tier will get access to this car from new-but the way Ferrari structures its customer base is very different. The company lists clients as either V12 or V8 customers and aims its preview days at those people. I imagine the customers for this car will already be very well known and be on the 'preferred' list before the car was even envisaged. Finally a point about values. The Enzo when new was 420,000euro. Delivery milage cars are up at the 900k mark. anyone who has put on 50k miles is not going to take a bath on the car should they wish to sell. F50's are considerably higher than new-i think they listed at approx 320k. F40's from new were around 160k rising to 190k over the cars production life. They are currently double that for a mint car. You will not get any F40 for less than tyhe new price. 288 GTO are far higher then the 73k list. I know none of this takes inflation into account but it shows they keep their value. However lets not get bogged down in values-cars are not investments. I applaud anyone who buys this car and uses it as often as he can-i know i would!
toppstuff said:
I don't think McLaren will care. All the Ferrari owners will be keeping their cars under a silk red car cover. When they do drive them, they will be so paranoid about adding miles on to the clock they will frequently "rest" the car so that they don't add do more than 1000 miles a year.
Not so much. 45,000 miles on our F355, 4000 and counting on the F458, and the F70's not going to get any different treatment. They're way too much fun to sit around unused.328matt said:
There is a lot of rubbish on here...there are quite a few Ferrari hypercars that have done a significant mileage-288GTO, F40 and F50 as well as several Enzo's. Yes there are some bought as trophys/investments, but they are the exception. Mileage will have some effect, but a delivery mileage car will have some issues that will need resolving due to lack of use-they are cars and are designed to be used. Ferrari have several types of client and only the top tier will get access to this car from new-but the way Ferrari structures its customer base is very different. The company lists clients as either V12 or V8 customers and aims its preview days at those people. I imagine the customers for this car will already be very well known and be on the 'preferred' list before the car was even envisaged. Finally a point about values. The Enzo when new was 420,000euro. Delivery milage cars are up at the 900k mark. anyone who has put on 50k miles is not going to take a bath on the car should they wish to sell. F50's are considerably higher than new-i think they listed at approx 320k. F40's from new were around 160k rising to 190k over the cars production life. They are currently double that for a mint car. You will not get any F40 for less than tyhe new price. 288 GTO are far higher then the 73k list. I know none of this takes inflation into account but it shows they keep their value. However lets not get bogged down in values-cars are not investments. I applaud anyone who buys this car and uses it as often as he can-i know i would!
With classic Ferrari I quite agree. And by that I mean F40's, the 288GTO for example... Quite agree. And I guess the F70 will go the same way. I must say, however, that a quick look at the global classifieds tells us that most Enzo's appear to be barely used garage queens. I don't think the F70 is going to be any different, magnificent though it will certainly be.In terms of mass produced Ferrari, try rocking up to your local Ferrari emporium trying to sell them a 458 with, say, 25,000 miles on it and watch the salesman try to hide from you in the loo ... or watch how you get bid down to embarrassing levels as the salesman explains that "its the mileage you see, customers don't like the mileage, thats why i'm offering you so little..."
I know a few Ferrari owners quite well and while they DO drive them, the issue of not piling on the miles is never far from their mind IMO.
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