RE: Golf GTD announced

[Simon Bags]

Greg 172 said:

Don't worry - I recognise a reasonable argument when I see one (not a true PHer view, I know...). However, in this instance our question asker sounds like they just have a very short, or very rare, commute through town.

Either way it doesn't really matter, particularly without a bit more info from Bags! If he can afford to drop £25k on a new car for a bit of mooching about then why not. I just like playing devils advocate, although I sure PH members can suggest all manner of alternatives to the Golf

I was just considering a car change, wondered what a diesel would be like to own and run for the small mileage I do per year (I was lucky enough to be able to step back from work for a bit back in October 2011 so I literally am just pottering about here and there at the moment). I also thought that as I have the cash that it might be nice to have something at this end of the market?

Diesel seems out of the question, at least I can scratch that out of the potential list.

Thanks for the help.
Bags.

[Lordglenmorangie]

Bitzer said:

Really?

A new 2000 'X' reg 1.8T GTI at the time had a list price of just shy of £19k. I know because I had one as a company car at the time.

A GT TDI would be slightly less, +2 years of price rises.

I may be mistaken, will dig out the paper work and report back . I bought the car at just shy of ten years for 4K as a shed, it's one of the best cars I have ever had, love it.

I can not find the original invoice so I could be mistaken.

Edited by Lordglenmorangie on Friday 22 February 09:47

[barlers]

I agree with some other posters - the 120D is a much better comparison. Similar power, similar price, slightly quicker to 62. RWD so no need for trick diffs and much nicer to drive.

[dukebox9reg]

okie592 said:

I Don't get why people say £25k for a golf, cars are expensive end of, a focus can be £25k

They haven't compared the Astra and focus dervs cause there's no high powered diesel model too compare them with...

Why go on about £25k when no one will ever pay £25k in cash, it will all be either finance, company car, leased, etc.


Do you know anyone who has paid cash for a band new car?

Chopped liver, pretty sure them numbers add up to more then the golfs.......http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/286435/2012_vauxhall_astra_ctdi_biturbo_review_and_pictures.html and http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

[PunterCam]

Amazing how the same engine can suddenly do an extra 15mpg or whatever it said. Why do you even print this drivel?

[SuperchargedVR6]

PunterCam said:

Amazing how the same engine can suddenly do an extra 15mpg or whatever it said. Why do you even print this drivel?

67.3 is pure fantasy and just the number VAG come up with during their controlled testing. I have never seen a car maker's mpg claims in the real world.


"As you’d expect, the figures that’ll really interest many are the CO2- and mpg-related ones, which come in at a very impressive 109g/km and 67.3 for a manual three-door as opposed to 139g/km and 53.3mpg on the Mk6"

[mugwump00]

VAG/Porsche marketing millions have ruined this site. 911.. Golf... Lupo (!)... TDis.. Bentley... 1litres, and oh look, another 911 feature! A Bugatti feature within the next 2 days by any chance?

Just because they're ruining every other motoring "news" outlet doesn't make it any more un-noticed or easier to stomach.

[va1o]

PunterCam said:

Amazing how the same engine can suddenly do an extra 15mpg or whatever it said. Why do you even print this drivel?

It is NOT the same engine. You are the one posting drivel, moron.

Edited by va1o on Friday 22 February 11:32

[CraigyMc]

Glade said:

Just need 5 doors, <~£30K and a better fun to CO2 ratio than my A4!

Order a 320d EfficientDynamics like all the rest of us...

[Limpet]

CraigyMc said:

Order a 320d EfficientDynamics like all the rest of us...

I did that. Great company car choice, although mine has had more go wrong with it in the year (next week) that I've had it, than our mk4 Golf diesel (now on 130k) has since we bought it in 2008...

[FisiP1]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

PunterCam said:

Amazing how the same engine can suddenly do an extra 15mpg or whatever it said. Why do you even print this drivel?

67.3 is pure fantasy and just the number VAG come up with during their controlled testing. I have never seen a car maker's mpg claims in the real world.


"As you’d expect, the figures that’ll really interest many are the CO2- and mpg-related ones, which come in at a very impressive 109g/km and 67.3 for a manual three-door as opposed to 139g/km and 53.3mpg on the Mk6"

1. According to the post above, it isn't the same engine.

2. I've never struggled to hit the claimed mpg of a car except a 2007 Fiat Grande Punto which I sold before its engine had fully bedded in. It's really not hard to hit the claimed mpg of a Golf, my dad does in his and I did in mine for the short period I owned one, and that's accounting for being in a very hilly area with no easy cruise dual carriageways anywhere near. If you live in the middle of a city then of course you won't see 60+ on a regular basis, but expecting to is just being silly.

[FisiP1]

mugwump00 said:

VAG/Porsche marketing millions have ruined this site. 911.. Golf... Lupo (!)... TDis.. Bentley... 1litres, and oh look, another 911 feature! A Bugatti feature within the next 2 days by any chance?

Just because they're ruining every other motoring "news" outlet doesn't make it any more un-noticed or easier to stomach.

The Front page as I write this consists of as many Honda and Alfa articles as it does VW group ones.

Stop talking drivel just because you dislike a popular manufacturer.

[CraigyMc]

Limpet said:

CraigyMc said:

Order a 320d EfficientDynamics like all the rest of us...

I did that. Great company car choice, although mine has had more go wrong with it in the year (next week) that I've had it, than our mk4 Golf diesel (now on 130k) has since we bought it in 2008...

Mine's got basically every option available and everything works - the car has had one routine service in 27K miles- zero anything else.
The only fluids it's used are 1l of oil, approximately 50 bazillionty litres of screenwash, and a couple of thousand litres of diesel.

Is yours an E90 or an F30? Mine's the older car, which would have been towards the end of the E90 production run, by which time introduction niggles would have been worked out of the process.

C

[binnerboy]

@repent,

you owe me a new keyboard sir, plus people in the office are looking at me funny cos I am laughing at a fridge

[ALH90]

Limpet said:

The thing about a diesel Golf is it's a car you buy with your head. You never lust after one. You buy one, run it for many many years for beer money, and then you sell it on and get rather more of your money back than if you'd bought a Ford, Vauxhall, Renault etc. In the meantime you can park it anywhere and drive it anywhere without attracting any attention of any sort. You never love it, but you do grow quite attached to it because it's so damn good at what it does.

We've got a 2003 mk4 GT TDI 130. We keep thinking of parting with it, but it's reliable, economical, good to drive in a lazy, torquey, long legged sort of way, and it just doesn't look 10 years old. Neither of us lie awake thinking about it, neither of us would think of getting up early to drive it, but it goes from A to B with no drama, does 48 mpg round the houses, 60 on the motorway, and never seems to need anything apart from an annual oil and filter change and consumables.

If this mk7 does the same thing, it's a winner, and yes I would probably buy one.

Edited by Limpet on Thursday 21st February 16:52

This sums up my experiences with my mk4. I doubt I will ever sell it and simply keep it for whenever it may be needed, it is hardly a drain on resources and easily justified.

[SWoll]

FisiP1 said:

mugwump00 said:

VAG/Porsche marketing millions have ruined this site. 911.. Golf... Lupo (!)... TDis.. Bentley... 1litres, and oh look, another 911 feature! A Bugatti feature within the next 2 days by any chance?

Just because they're ruining every other motoring "news" outlet doesn't make it any more un-noticed or easier to stomach.

The Front page as I write this consists of as many Honda and Alfa articles as it does VW group ones.

Stop talking drivel just because you dislike a popular manufacturer.

What an utterly stupid post. Where does all of this apparent "hate" come from?

I will say I did wonder myself why a 2.0 TDi Golf was getting a review, but based on the amount of responses on this thread it appears people are interested.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 22 February 13:45

[daydotz]

SWoll said:

What an utterly stupid post. Where does all of this apparent "hate" come from?

I will say I did wonder myself why a 2.0 TDi Golf was getting a review, but based on the amount of responses on this thread it appears people are interested.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 22 February 13:45

they also seem interested in mpg & its emissions who says ph isn't interested in green cars

[Limpet]

CraigyMc said:

Is yours an E90 or an F30? Mine's the older car, which would have been towards the end of the E90 production run, by which time introduction niggles would have been worked out of the process.

C

It's an F30. FEM body control module went, intermittent fault with nsf indicator and front suspension issues. Nowhere near as well put together as the E90 I had before. Or as good to drive without the expensive adaptive suspension.
First service coming up due now. 800 miles to go (coming up 19k). Hasn't used a drop of oil, even after an Autobahn dash where it managed a GPS recorded 139 mph, 4 up and fully laden.
Great performance and economy compromise, but it doesn't feel like £28k worth of car. But it costs sod all in BIK so was kind of a default choice from the list available.

Edited by Limpet on Friday 22 February 20:53

[toppstuff]

SWoll said:

FisiP1 said:

mugwump00 said:

VAG/Porsche marketing millions have ruined this site. 911.. Golf... Lupo (!)... TDis.. Bentley... 1litres, and oh look, another 911 feature! A Bugatti feature within the next 2 days by any chance?

Just because they're ruining every other motoring "news" outlet doesn't make it any more un-noticed or easier to stomach.

The Front page as I write this consists of as many Honda and Alfa articles as it does VW group ones.

Stop talking drivel just because you dislike a popular manufacturer.

What an utterly stupid post. Where does all of this apparent "hate" come from?

I will say I did wonder myself why a 2.0 TDi Golf was getting a review, but based on the amount of responses on this thread it appears people are interested.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 22 February 13:45

If PH think a diesel Golf is worth several hundred words of editorial, then so is a diesel Astra, diesel Focus, diesel Kia etc etc...

But we don't get articles about these cars. Only Golfs.

Why? They are all appliances.

[Bezza1969]

toppstuff said:

SWoll said:

FisiP1 said:

mugwump00 said:

VAG/Porsche marketing millions have ruined this site. 911.. Golf... Lupo (!)... TDis.. Bentley... 1litres, and oh look, another 911 feature! A Bugatti feature within the next 2 days by any chance?

Just because they're ruining every other motoring "news" outlet doesn't make it any more un-noticed or easier to stomach.

The Front page as I write this consists of as many Honda and Alfa articles as it does VW group ones.

Stop talking drivel just because you dislike a popular manufacturer.

What an utterly stupid post. Where does all of this apparent "hate" come from?

I will say I did wonder myself why a 2.0 TDi Golf was getting a review, but based on the amount of responses on this thread it appears people are interested.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 22 February 13:45

If PH think a diesel Golf is worth several hundred words of editorial, then so is a diesel Astra, diesel Focus, diesel Kia etc etc...

But we don't get articles about these cars. Only Golfs.

Why? They are all appliances.

Why, because its the sort of car that a lot of people who read this site might actually buy!!! THis site doenst just exist for supercar/sports car lovers. As for Ford, Kia, Alfa, etc when they finally get around to launching a GTI diesel hot hatch, Im sure they will get featured. Why all the VAG hate on Ph's, its bizarre!!