RE: VW confirms XL1 production
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When 300mpg cars like this are common no one will want to run todays thirsty machines.
This is why I think so many of the mainstream cars (common today) mentioned in the "future classic cars" thread have zero hope of ever making any money - long term (flash badges aside). Plus of course when the majority of us have been herded into these super efficient machines (offering ten times the mpg), the price of petrol will no doubt go up ten times in price to claw back the lost tax. If so, that could mean £700 to fill up a normal (old style) car instead of the £70 it costs today in any typical Euro box. The only way to avoid this would be to own a hyper efficient machine such as this XL1. If you don't think the fuel will rise so much to get back all that lost tax I think you are day dreaming big time! This is why I think people are going to lose a ton on these so called future classics. If it's not an important Porsche or Ferrari destined for a museum, forget it! Book mark this and come back in a decade or two...
This is why I think so many of the mainstream cars (common today) mentioned in the "future classic cars" thread have zero hope of ever making any money - long term (flash badges aside). Plus of course when the majority of us have been herded into these super efficient machines (offering ten times the mpg), the price of petrol will no doubt go up ten times in price to claw back the lost tax. If so, that could mean £700 to fill up a normal (old style) car instead of the £70 it costs today in any typical Euro box. The only way to avoid this would be to own a hyper efficient machine such as this XL1. If you don't think the fuel will rise so much to get back all that lost tax I think you are day dreaming big time! This is why I think people are going to lose a ton on these so called future classics. If it's not an important Porsche or Ferrari destined for a museum, forget it! Book mark this and come back in a decade or two...
Edited by k-ink on Thursday 21st February 16:02
rhinochopig said:
One of the big manufacturers needs to build a white goods commuter car. Essentially a insight with a 3 pot 1itre diesel and two comfy seats, simple interior with no sat nav / stupid electronic gadgets but a good quality stereo, and a decent boot. Faired in rear wheels and skinny little high profile tyres.
There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
BMW 116d EfficientDynamics?There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
VW Polo Bluemotion 1.2TDI?
Skoda Fabia GreenLine II 1.2CDI?
Or did you mean higher MPG values than these?
C
Andy20vt said:
Looks impressive from the front and inside, but not liking the covered rear wheel - looks kind of odd. Wonder how many mpg the rear wheel cover saves? Rear visibility when you're driving doesn't look good.
Know an aerodynamicist who worked on an idea for clip on version over the rear wheels for standard cars that you could buy at auto route toll booths. Saved between 3 and 5mpg at 70mph depending on the car (size of wheels etc.)I think in real terms this will struggle to do anymore than about 100mpg or so.
Whilst impressive the figures are going to be optimistic as they will assume that you use electric entirely for short journeys and drive like miss daisy the rest of the time.
Why doesn't a car manuafacturer make a car like this but with a 2/3 cylinder petrol/diesel engine and aim for >£20k with the main priority being four seats , a decent boot and stereo.
Whilst impressive the figures are going to be optimistic as they will assume that you use electric entirely for short journeys and drive like miss daisy the rest of the time.
Why doesn't a car manuafacturer make a car like this but with a 2/3 cylinder petrol/diesel engine and aim for >£20k with the main priority being four seats , a decent boot and stereo.
CraigyMc said:
rhinochopig said:
One of the big manufacturers needs to build a white goods commuter car. Essentially a insight with a 3 pot 1itre diesel and two comfy seats, simple interior with no sat nav / stupid electronic gadgets but a good quality stereo, and a decent boot. Faired in rear wheels and skinny little high profile tyres.
There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
BMW 116d EfficientDynamics?There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
VW Polo Bluemotion 1.2TDI?
Skoda Fabia GreenLine II 1.2CDI?
Or did you mean higher MPG values than these?
C
As I said, imagine a Dacia version of the insight with a small diesel lump and none of the hyrbid tech; cheap as chips and 100mpg.
darrenw said:
Saw that one last year in Austria at Woerthersee:
VW XL1 Prototype by retromotoring, on Flickr
Looked absolutely fantastic just parked up like that in a regular driveway, really distinctive.
At first I thought the door opening mechanism was doing some very cool things... Unfortunately not, it seems. VW XL1 Prototype by retromotoring, on Flickr
Looked absolutely fantastic just parked up like that in a regular driveway, really distinctive.
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