RE: VW confirms XL1 production

RE: VW confirms XL1 production

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V6Paul

171 posts

144 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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CAPP0 said:
£1700 with 4 days to run and it already needs a new battery AND a cat, let alone what else is wrong with it - that's going to be a bargain then!
Loved that he's written its cheap to maintain - yeah because you haven't maintained it!

k-ink

9,070 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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When 300mpg cars like this are common no one will want to run todays thirsty machines.


This is why I think so many of the mainstream cars (common today) mentioned in the "future classic cars" thread have zero hope of ever making any money - long term (flash badges aside). Plus of course when the majority of us have been herded into these super efficient machines (offering ten times the mpg), the price of petrol will no doubt go up ten times in price to claw back the lost tax. If so, that could mean £700 to fill up a normal (old style) car instead of the £70 it costs today in any typical Euro box. The only way to avoid this would be to own a hyper efficient machine such as this XL1. If you don't think the fuel will rise so much to get back all that lost tax I think you are day dreaming big time! This is why I think people are going to lose a ton on these so called future classics. If it's not an important Porsche or Ferrari destined for a museum, forget it! Book mark this and come back in a decade or two...

Edited by k-ink on Thursday 21st February 16:02

750turbo

6,164 posts

225 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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<Shakes head in disbelief >

Am OOT!

Sorry frown

soad

32,914 posts

177 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Must be awfully dull to drive!

Hellbound

2,500 posts

177 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Finally...we have progress.

McWigglebum3rd

32,414 posts

205 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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soad said:
Must be awfully dull to drive!
Why?

Because it isn't a lardy tall pile of pooh running on 22inch rims?

enroz

98 posts

166 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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At 70mph, what would the MPG change to?

If it was anyway near 100, then i'm impressed, but 300 MPG in the real world could only be achieved at 40-50 mph down hill with a brisk following wind, in theory.

Looks good though, and alway nice to see manufacturers looking towards the future.


liammedler

19 posts

141 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Do I spot LCD screens instead of wing mirrors?

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

179 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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That looks great (The concept as well as the styling)

It'll never average 300mpg though; I'd imagine more like 60-80 over a tank.

Very interesting car.. any one have any idea of the price ballpark?

lockup

383 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I wonder what it'll do when it's chipped?

CraigyMc

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16,430 posts

237 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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rhinochopig said:
One of the big manufacturers needs to build a white goods commuter car. Essentially a insight with a 3 pot 1itre diesel and two comfy seats, simple interior with no sat nav / stupid electronic gadgets but a good quality stereo, and a decent boot. Faired in rear wheels and skinny little high profile tyres.

There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
BMW 116d EfficientDynamics?
VW Polo Bluemotion 1.2TDI?
Skoda Fabia GreenLine II 1.2CDI?

Or did you mean higher MPG values than these?

C

Crusoe

4,068 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Andy20vt said:
Looks impressive from the front and inside, but not liking the covered rear wheel - looks kind of odd. Wonder how many mpg the rear wheel cover saves? Rear visibility when you're driving doesn't look good.
Know an aerodynamicist who worked on an idea for clip on version over the rear wheels for standard cars that you could buy at auto route toll booths. Saved between 3 and 5mpg at 70mph depending on the car (size of wheels etc.)

Froomee

1,425 posts

170 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I think in real terms this will struggle to do anymore than about 100mpg or so.

Whilst impressive the figures are going to be optimistic as they will assume that you use electric entirely for short journeys and drive like miss daisy the rest of the time.

Why doesn't a car manuafacturer make a car like this but with a 2/3 cylinder petrol/diesel engine and aim for >£20k with the main priority being four seats , a decent boot and stereo.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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GroundEffect said:
Very nice. I love my aerodynamics and that's splendid.
Nice for you, I'm sure, but what does it have to do with your aerodynamics?

MX7

7,902 posts

175 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I like that, but how much will it change from the prototype?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

199 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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CraigyMc said:
rhinochopig said:
One of the big manufacturers needs to build a white goods commuter car. Essentially a insight with a 3 pot 1itre diesel and two comfy seats, simple interior with no sat nav / stupid electronic gadgets but a good quality stereo, and a decent boot. Faired in rear wheels and skinny little high profile tyres.

There are thousands of people who do fairly long commutes who just want somewhere comfy to sit, and something that will do mega MPG.
BMW 116d EfficientDynamics?
VW Polo Bluemotion 1.2TDI?
Skoda Fabia GreenLine II 1.2CDI?

Or did you mean higher MPG values than these?

C
Yes. There are all modified versions of current cars so are compromised in their designs and actually not that cheap. I'm talking about something designed to be frugal from the outset with excellent aerodynamics, narrow tyres, very light-weight, etc. but mechanically very simple to keep costs down.

As I said, imagine a Dacia version of the insight with a small diesel lump and none of the hyrbid tech; cheap as chips and 100mpg.


0llie

3,008 posts

197 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Looking forward to seeing this, looks very interesting!

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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It says it is "the worlds most fuel efficient production car". It then goes on to quote how economical it is, but not how efficient it is. Poor form. Why is it assumed that it is more efficient just because it does a lot of MPGs?

cronk-flakes

3,480 posts

254 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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darrenw said:
Saw that one last year in Austria at Woerthersee:


VW XL1 Prototype by retromotoring, on Flickr

Looked absolutely fantastic just parked up like that in a regular driveway, really distinctive.
At first I thought the door opening mechanism was doing some very cool things... Unfortunately not, it seems. frown

goron59

397 posts

172 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I'll wait for the (Fireball) XL5 version.