RE: Nismo GT-R confirmed

[RobGT81]

Richard-G said:

will it be in the WEC? please say it'll be in the WEC.

No, it won't be in the WEC.

[Loplop]

Raitzi said:

Is it going to be 2wd like most racing GT-R's?

I doubt it.

Racing GT-Rs aren't actually GT-Rs, they're just reshell'd 350z JGTC Cars.

[MonkeySpanker]

People who buy Porsche's will always usually buy Porsche's I suspect. Inappropriate apostrophes???

[will261058]

Id be happy with a boggo one!

[Loplop]

See, I've never sat in any Skyline, let alone one with the red 'R'.

I hated Porsche's, they seemed bland to my young eyes. Then I went out in one and it just made sense, I'd have one over a Ferrari or Lambo every day.

I'm scared that going out in a GT-R will have the opposite effect and completely obliterate those dreams that Gran Turismo implanted into my brain well over a decade ago.

[hairykrishna]

Loplop said:

See, I've never sat in any Skyline, let alone one with the red 'R'.

I hated Porsche's, they seemed bland to my young eyes. Then I went out in one and it just made sense, I'd have one over a Ferrari or Lambo every day.

I'm scared that going out in a GT-R will have the opposite effect and completely obliterate those dreams that Gran Turismo implanted into my brain well over a decade ago.

Having driven a R34 GT-R and the new GT-R I doubt it would. They're great to drive.

[Guvernator]

Err haven't they already made a GT3 competitor? It was called the GT-R V-spec and was released in 2010. It had no more power but it was 60kg lighter (despite Mizuno, the GTR creator insisting that heavier=faster ), had carbon brakes and better suspension, oh and the not inconsiderable price tag of about £115k.

It seems however that everyone including Nissan would rather forget about this version of the GTR as reviews weren't exactly glowing citing it as being very twitchy and too expensive for the changes on offer over the standard car.

Let's hope that this SECOND stab they have at a GT3 competitor is better. Will be interesting to see if they decrease the weight.

[Loplop]

Guvernator said:

Err haven't they already made a GT3 competitor? It was called the GT-R V-spec and was released in 2010. It had no more power but it was 60kg lighter (despite Mizuno, the GTR creator insisting that heavier=faster ), had carbon brakes and better suspension, oh and the not inconsiderable price tag of about £115k.

It seems however that everyone including Nissan would rather forget about this version of the GTR as reviews weren't exactly glowing citing it as being very twitchy and too expensive for the changes on offer over the standard car.

Let's hope that this SECOND stab they have at a GT3 competitor is better. Will be interesting to see if they decrease the weight.

It's better to look at it like this:

The Standard R35 - 911 Turbo
R35 Spec - V - 911 Turbo S

If you look at past nomenclature an 'N1' R35 would be a GT3 Competitor, the original R32 V-Spec was actually heavier but had wider tires and a modified 4WD system, I suspect the Spec - V's weight saving had more to do with contemporary culture.

[Guvernator]

Loplop said:

It's better to look at it like this:

The Standard R35 - 911 Turbo
R35 Spec - V - 911 Turbo S

If you look at past nomenclature an 'N1' R35 would be a GT3 Competitor, the original R32 V-Spec was actually heavier but had wider tires and a modified 4WD system, I suspect the Spec - V's weight saving had more to do with contemporary culture.

Hmm you are probably right although I'd probably compare the R35 V-Spec to an GT2\GT2 RS as I believe they removed the rear seats and it was a bit too hardcore to be compared with the "softer" Turbo all many mags seems to compare it to the GT3 RS at the time too.

Still interested to see what they do with this new one and what the price tag will be. The great thing about the standard GT-R is that it's such a performance bargain compared to it's competitors but when you start to see 6 figure prices tags attached to them, I think they start to loose their appeal somewhat.

[deeps]

hairykrishna said:

Loplop said:

See, I've never sat in any Skyline, let alone one with the red 'R'.

I hated Porsche's, they seemed bland to my young eyes. Then I went out in one and it just made sense, I'd have one over a Ferrari or Lambo every day.

I'm scared that going out in a GT-R will have the opposite effect and completely obliterate those dreams that Gran Turismo implanted into my brain well over a decade ago.

Having driven a R34 GT-R and the new GT-R I doubt it would. They're great to drive.

I drove one once, then had to buy it New set of tyres going on today though, think of a figure and double it running costs.

[Schnellmann]

wheedler said:

It will need to wipe the floor with the gt3 to be taken seriously or it shall need to be a lot cheaper and as good

I don't think there is a huge crossover of the markets for the two cars. I suspect that the people choosing GT3s do so for many reasons not related to how quick the two cars are around the Ring (brand loyalty, image, looks, RWD, manual, etc). The GT-R is already much better value than the GT3 and technically perhaps more impressive. Making it more so is unlikely to get more Porsche drivers to swap.

[Si_man306]

Dribble....

[GranCab]

The first R35 GT-R whupped the GT3 a few years ago - according to a certain Mr C Harris ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85e87Ac_Ndk

[Carl_Docklands]

wheedler said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

0-60 time blah blah 'ring time blah blah half the price of a 911 blah blah.
I'll have the Porsche thanks

It will need to wipe the floor with the gt3 to be taken seriously or it shall need to be a lot cheaper and as good

Offering the GT-R in some decent factory colours and interior with decent bucket seats and trim would be a good start.

A transmission which is truly track friendly and not boiling its fluid would be essential for it to compete with the GT3.

Bayside blue Nismo GT-R anyone ?

[Zed Ed]

All it needs for GT3 bashing is some track durability; namely transmission cooling and brakes.

Some weight loss might help, couple of racing chairs too.

[rhinochopig]

Loplop said:

Raitzi said:

Is it going to be 2wd like most racing GT-R's?

I doubt it.

Racing GT-Rs aren't actually GT-Rs, they're just reshell'd 350z JGTC Cars.

You sure? I thought they kept the shell and ran a V8 - RWD set-up.

Looks like a GTR in these pics...

http://www.sumopower.com/Gallery/49/Sumo%20Power%2...

[GTR Owner]

wheedler said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

0-60 time blah blah 'ring time blah blah half the price of a 911 blah blah.
I'll have the Porsche thanks

It will need to wipe the floor with the gt3 to be taken seriously or it shall need to be a lot cheaper and as good

That should not be too much of a problem as the current 2013 GTR already performs as well if not better than the Porsche at considerably less cost.

[GTR Owner]

Guvernator said:

Loplop said:

It's better to look at it like this:

The Standard R35 - 911 Turbo
R35 Spec - V - 911 Turbo S

If you look at past nomenclature an 'N1' R35 would be a GT3 Competitor, the original R32 V-Spec was actually heavier but had wider tires and a modified 4WD system, I suspect the Spec - V's weight saving had more to do with contemporary culture.

Hmm you are probably right although I'd probably compare the R35 V-Spec to an GT2\GT2 RS as I believe they removed the rear seats and it was a bit too hardcore to be compared with the "softer" Turbo all many mags seems to compare it to the GT3 RS at the time too.

Still interested to see what they do with this new one and what the price tag will be. The great thing about the standard GT-R is that it's such a performance bargain compared to it's competitors but when you start to see 6 figure prices tags attached to them, I think they start to loose their appeal somewhat.

I got to say I agree. The overall performance has to be either significantly greater for similar cost or the price has to be kept down.

[Olivera]

GTR Owner said:

I got to say I agree. The overall performance has to be either significantly greater for similar cost or the price has to be kept down.

I'm curious - why do you believe that to be the case?

[GTR Owner]

Olivera said:

GTR Owner said:

I got to say I agree. The overall performance has to be either significantly greater for similar cost or the price has to be kept down.

I'm curious - why do you believe that to be the case?

Fair question. When I told people I was getting a Nissan GTR I had to put up with a fair bit of stick for obvious reasons. What made me buy my second one was I was totally sold on the car. I have used it at several track days in UK and at Nurburgring and I really love it. However - if it was the same price as a say the Porsche (which is quite a bit more) would I have purchased my first one? If I'm honest no. Now I have been exposed to the GTR it would put me off far less. I guess what I am saying is the Nissan marque is still in relative terms the new boy on the super car block and it needs to keep making a name for itself. Perhaps I should modify my comment by saying to continue to attract "new buyers" it needs to keep price down and performance up. . . . but once you're bitten by it