RE: Spotted: Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)

[rb5er]

V8RX7 said:

Bladedancer said:

V8RX7 said:

I know you sell nice cars but I fail to believe any car that has been used and is over 10 years old is completely rust free.

There is no rust on any nuts / bolts, exhaust, subframes etc ?

Rusty nut/bolt is hardly a disqualifying factor, is it?

Yes

If there is any rust at all anywhere then it isn't "completely rust free" is it.

Thats taking things a bit far, by that logic every car on the road has rust.

Just look at the brake discs as well as several other places.

Bolts or brake discs being rusty does not mean a car is rusty, just that couple of easily replaced bits will have slight rust as per normal usage.

[V8RX7]

rb5er said:

Thats taking things a bit far, by that logic every car on the road has rust.

Just look at the brake discs as well as several other places.

Bolts or brake discs being rusty does not mean a car is rusty, just that couple of easily replaced bits will have slight rust as per normal usage.

Yes that's entirely my point so it isn't completely rust free then.

It is:
mostly rust free
body has no visible rust
etc

I have seen quite a few show winning cars that are completely rust free but they have all been rebuilt and are trailer queens.

[Bladedancer]

V8RX7 said:

Bladedancer said:

V8RX7 said:

I know you sell nice cars but I fail to believe any car that has been used and is over 10 years old is completely rust free.

There is no rust on any nuts / bolts, exhaust, subframes etc ?

Rusty nut/bolt is hardly a disqualifying factor, is it?

Yes

If there is any rust at all anywhere then it isn't "completely rust free" is it.

Semantics.

Extending your logic, since almost everyone alive has broken some law or another; anything from crossing a street outside marked area or on red light to uninstaling that shareware/trial app one day too late (think about all the software you installed without reading the licence) etc. we are all criminals.

[V8RX7]

Bladedancer said:

Semantics.

Extending your logic, since almost everyone alive has broken some law or another; anything from crossing a street outside marked area or on red light to uninstaling that shareware/trial app one day too late (think about all the software you installed without reading the licence) etc. we are all criminals.

Either something has rust on it or it hasn't - that is a simple fact.

I freely admit I have broken laws, quite a few, speed limits every single day - WTF has that got to do with whether a car has rust on it or not ?

[Andy616]

V8RX7 said:

Either something has rust on it or it hasn't - that is a simple fact.

I agree with you on that one. The advert says "absolutely rust free throughout which means it has original rust free arches, no rust (Not even on bolt heads!) on the front panel" If you go to their website for the extended picture gallery, pic 32 clearly shows surface rust on bolts and screws. Perfectly acceptable and probably better than normal but to state otherwise seems odd. In picture 65 the boot floor looks to have some surface rust too.

That said, once you wade through the copied and pasted marketing waffle it looks like a really nice car.

Guvernator said:

Any ideas what an unmolested V-spec II would cost? (if you could find one)

I've just had a look at the auction price data for the last few months. Finding one wouldn't be difficult if you're not fussy on colour. Prices do vary hugely however. To give you a rough idea these prices are for the car landed based on current exchange rates. (add a few hundred pounds for registration, customs clearance etc.)

All V-spec IIs:

Wine Red, Grade R, 83k kms - £9,200 (Repair history, bit of a lottery)
Silver, Grade 4, 90k kms - £12,300 (Should be a good solid car)
Gray Metallic, Grade 4.5, 34k kms - £28,000 (Really exceptional car, probably as new)

Prices are also from an importer that inspects and then ships the cars, you'd have to do all the registering this side and with no warranty. If you wanted to do it through an importer that preps, registers and offers a warranty you'll be looking at another £2-3k on top.

[Bladedancer]

V8RX7 said:

Either something has rust on it or it hasn't - that is a simple fact.

I freely admit I have broken laws, quite a few, speed limits every single day - WTF has that got to do with whether a car has rust on it or not ?

Saying car is rusty because it has rust on a bolt is like saying you're a criminal becasue you've gone 1 mile over speed limit on the motorway.
Technicaly true but from logical standpoint - silly.

[Guvernator]

Andy616 said:

I've just had a look at the auction price data for the last few months. Finding one wouldn't be difficult if you're not fussy on colour. Prices do vary hugely however. To give you a rough idea these prices are for the car landed based on current exchange rates. (add a few hundred pounds for registration, customs clearance etc.)

All V-spec IIs:

Wine Red, Grade R, 83k kms - £9,200 (Repair history, bit of a lottery)
Silver, Grade 4, 90k kms - £12,300 (Should be a good solid car)
Gray Metallic, Grade 4.5, 34k kms - £28,000 (Really exceptional car, probably as new)

Prices are also from an importer that inspects and then ships the cars, you'd have to do all the registering this side and with no warranty. If you wanted to do it through an importer that preps, registers and offers a warranty you'll be looking at another £2-3k on top.

Thanks, I was thinking a decent, clean V-spec II would be around the £15k mark which sounds about right, however that last one seems a bit...err...overpriced!

[MuZiZZle]

Guvernator said:

Thanks, I was thinking a decent, clean V-spec II would be around the £15k mark which sounds about right, however that last one seems a bit...err...overpriced!

Say 15k, then you'd be wanting a container, Ro-Ro (roll on roll off, like a ferry) would be £885 on an R34, however someone will drive it on, and possibly steal bits and bobs from the inside , possibly even crash it, speaking from experience here!

So a container would be just shy of £1500, maybe £1200 if you could get half of a 40ft container.

You also need to pay VAT & Duty on the car + shipping, which is say 15k+1.5k, so 16.5k + 30% is £21,450

Add a few hundred to get it actually put on the ship in Japan & taken off at this end, the documentation done & sent to you etc etc and your 15k car should be around 22k on the shores of blighty, then you'll have to collect it, prep it and register it.

things may have shifted because it's been a few years since I imported a car, the shipping rates are current and I was working on 20% VAT & 10% import duty.

Hope this helps a bit

[Andy616]

MuZiZZle said:

Say 15k, then you'd be wanting a container, Ro-Ro (roll on roll off, like a ferry) would be £885 on an R34, however someone will drive it on, and possibly steal bits and bobs from the inside , possibly even crash it, speaking from experience here!

So a container would be just shy of £1500, maybe £1200 if you could get half of a 40ft container.

You also need to pay VAT & Duty on the car + shipping....

Sorry, perhaps I could have worded my post better, the prices I quoted are including VAT, Duty and shipping (Ro-Ro) and all costs on the Japanese side. Breakdown for the Grade 4 car:

	Cost
Price of car (FOB) (Yen)	1,180,000 Yen
Current exchange rate approx	140
Price of car (FOB) (£)	8,429
Shipping (£)	900
Import Duty (£)	933
VAT (£)	2,052
Total (£)	12,314

Add on a few hundred pounds for registration, customs clearance etc. Or, like I said if you wanted to do it through an importer that preps, registers and offers a warranty you'll be looking at another £2-3k maybe more on top.

Edited by Andy616 on Monday 4th March 18:54