RE: Ferrari F150 vs McLaren P1: PH Blog
Discussion
900T-R said:
The biggest 'problem' I see for the P1 is that it's got awfully large boots to fill - probably the largest in automotive history.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. When they made the F1 it was THE best car in the world and their was nothing else like it. Now they face some stiff competition and for all their fantastic engineering expertise, I'm not sure if Mclaren are up to the job of producing a worthy successor to the F1.Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a technical marvel and produce unbelievable stats but both the 12c and the P1 leave me a bit cold I'm afraid. Whatever magic the F1 had, they haven't been able to recapture it in the new cars. The two people on the forum who are current F1 owners have already stated that they aren't interested in the new cars which is rather telling in itself.
Comparing numbers, 0-100 times and power figures is pointless IMO as both cars are so far beyond the realms of normal\believable that it becomes a bit of a futile exercise. Where it will make a difference is how the car makes you feel. Ferrari for all their evil machinations, often crass image amd marketing, KNOW how to do drama in spades and the F1 did it without even trying. The new Mclaren cars are almost trying too hard and failing IMO.
I get the feeling that they are two different cars for two different purposes. Depends if you're buying a car, or a badge really.
The P1 will be a drivers car, small, reliable and relatively easy to drive, which means it'll get used regularly (hopefully)
The F150 or whatever it's going to be called will be a big, wide, shouty primadonna that will be seen parked up in Monaco when the Formula 1 is there, and then go back into it's air conditioned box until next year, along with the F40, F50 and Enzo that also never get driven.
If you want to drive, get a P1. If you want to be looked at, get the Ferrari.
Guess where my money's going...
The P1 will be a drivers car, small, reliable and relatively easy to drive, which means it'll get used regularly (hopefully)
The F150 or whatever it's going to be called will be a big, wide, shouty primadonna that will be seen parked up in Monaco when the Formula 1 is there, and then go back into it's air conditioned box until next year, along with the F40, F50 and Enzo that also never get driven.
If you want to drive, get a P1. If you want to be looked at, get the Ferrari.
Guess where my money's going...
It's funny that people have made there minds up already despite the cars not being tested yet let alone being driven by us mere mortals.
I do like the P1 a lot I must admit but can't say anything about the Ferrari as not seen it fully yet.
People go crazy about the F1 stating it the best car ever and at 640K back in 93 it had better be but it wasn't according to both Autocar and Performance car. I seem to remember that those mags said that it was incredibly fast and was practical but I'm sure that they gave the handling and braking a score of 3 out of 5 stars. I'm sure I saw that back then unless my memory is playing tricks???
I do like the P1 a lot I must admit but can't say anything about the Ferrari as not seen it fully yet.
People go crazy about the F1 stating it the best car ever and at 640K back in 93 it had better be but it wasn't according to both Autocar and Performance car. I seem to remember that those mags said that it was incredibly fast and was practical but I'm sure that they gave the handling and braking a score of 3 out of 5 stars. I'm sure I saw that back then unless my memory is playing tricks???
PH's question is: where would you put your £1 million?
My answer: McLaren P1.
I don't know why Ferrari bother with all the smoke-and-mirrors slow reveal stuff leading up to motorshows, because whatever the expected production run is for the F150, I'm sure it's all been accounted for long ago. The collectors, favoured customers, Brunei royalty etc leave no room for the likes of the random Euromillions lottery winner. I suspect that the P1 could potentially still be 'available' to those with the money - my take on McLaren's approach is that it's been to appeal to those yet to be convinced by either the car or McLaren Automotive. The Ferrari sells itself, to an in-built closed shop network of valued previous customers.
No doubt both will be 'great' cars. I wonder how long after putting down deposits, speccing them etc will it be before the owners actually get to drive one?
My answer: McLaren P1.
I don't know why Ferrari bother with all the smoke-and-mirrors slow reveal stuff leading up to motorshows, because whatever the expected production run is for the F150, I'm sure it's all been accounted for long ago. The collectors, favoured customers, Brunei royalty etc leave no room for the likes of the random Euromillions lottery winner. I suspect that the P1 could potentially still be 'available' to those with the money - my take on McLaren's approach is that it's been to appeal to those yet to be convinced by either the car or McLaren Automotive. The Ferrari sells itself, to an in-built closed shop network of valued previous customers.
No doubt both will be 'great' cars. I wonder how long after putting down deposits, speccing them etc will it be before the owners actually get to drive one?
BelfastBoy said:
I don't know why Ferrari bother with all the smoke-and-mirrors slow reveal stuff leading up to motorshows, because whatever the expected production run is for the F150, I'm sure it's all been accounted for long ago.
Because making a fuss about 300 £1m cars built from 100% unobtainium is a very good way of shifting 458s at very nice margins indeed.The £1m car is an anchor. A crazy-priced item of conspicuous desirability which drags up the perceived value of the actual product for sale.
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Guvernator said:
900T-R said:
The biggest 'problem' I see for the P1 is that it's got awfully large boots to fill - probably the largest in automotive history.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. When they made the F1 it was THE best car in the world and their was nothing else like it. Now they face some stiff competition and for all their fantastic engineering expertise, I'm not sure if Mclaren are up to the job of producing a worthy successor to the F1.Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be a technical marvel and produce unbelievable stats but both the 12c and the P1 leave me a bit cold I'm afraid. Whatever magic the F1 had, they haven't been able to recapture it in the new cars. The two people on the forum who are current F1 owners have already stated that they aren't interested in the new cars which is rather telling in itself.
Comparing numbers, 0-100 times and power figures is pointless IMO as both cars are so far beyond the realms of normal\believable that it becomes a bit of a futile exercise. Where it will make a difference is how the car makes you feel. Ferrari for all their evil machinations, often crass image amd marketing, KNOW how to do drama in spades and the F1 did it without even trying. The new Mclaren cars are almost trying too hard and failing IMO.
Not all bad for McLaren as I also see the SLR as a Merc.
McLaren, in my view, have made 1 car - the current one - which exhibits all of my feelings about the company; very able, very advanced, slightly soul-less and arrogant. That's why they have to milk the P1, and also why Ferrari don't need to milk their car.
I'm with the person who said they'd take a Pagani instead.
I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars
)
The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53! ).
The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars
)The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53!
).The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
Edited by marcosgt on Friday 1st March 14:55
Justmi said:
The choice between the two is subjective, if either fits your dream car criteria and you have the cash, you'll buy it whether its an nth of a second faster or slower or whatever the top speed is. I just can't wait to watch Chris Harris abusing either one (or hopefully both).
Looking at the P1 mule running around Woking on YT, the styling looks cohesive and surprisingly compact - handy for driving everyday if you want to expose your £866,000 toy to the real world.
Great video of the P1Looking at the P1 mule running around Woking on YT, the styling looks cohesive and surprisingly compact - handy for driving everyday if you want to expose your £866,000 toy to the real world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9pWfarhmyY
Really nice to see it on my local roads ..
Love the camouflage must be hard times at McLaren though as they have different colour wheels back and front.
Bet the driver hated being filmed by a guy in a Ferrari
marcosgt said:
I'm with the person who said they'd take a Pagani instead.
I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars)
The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53! ).
The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
I think I have to agree with you mate. My interest in Ferrari's ended with the 288 GTO. The P1 I think looks amazing but to be honest I have less and less interest in ultimate performance.I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars
)The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53!
).The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
Edited by marcosgt on Friday 1st March 14:55
When my numbers come up this evening I will knocking on HR Owens doors tomorrow morning to pick up this:
Then after booking my flights to Italy and Pagani I will put in my order for a Huayra. They cant be that many supercars which will continue to delight for years to come as much as this car will, not only that it looks amazing in green:
pagani, by Alessandro Vianello - YouTube
Oh and as great as these two new cars will be I bet their sound systems wont look as amazing as the new Sonos Faber based system in the Huayra will
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 1st March 17:38
marcosgt said:
I'm with the person who said they'd take a Pagani instead.
I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars)
The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53! ).
The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
I'm with you on that, proper supercars, I'd also get SLS black series as more everyday toy. It make me laugh when people say the P1 will be reliable, have they not spoken to any MP4 owners? Its not like buying a honda accord. Both the cars will be special in their own way, however none will be special like a Pagani is.I haven't liked a superfast Ferrari since the F40 (Which remains my favourite car, probably of all time), the F50 was ugly, the Enzo better, but still not lust-worthy. Will the F150 be better? Probably, as the 458 is so good, but will it eclipse the F40... mmmm... on paper, undoubtedly, but on the eye and, more importantly, behind the wheel (not that I'll ever get behind the wheel of ANY of these cars
)The MP4/12C? Well I've seen quite a few, but it still doesn't spark any real desire in me. It looks nice and I'm sure it's great to drive, but do I WANT one? Nope. I suspect the P1 will be the same (truth is I never wanted an F1 either, astonishing car though it is).
The F150 and the P1 will be hypercars, they'll set new benchmarks on paper, but will they better the F1 or the F40? I doubt it.
The Pagani Huayra is where my lottery winnings will go. It's relentlessly engineered to be usable and yet a total event just walking past or sitting in it and offers performance that no-one is going to call 'limited' (Although I'm sure if Pagani sold the Huayra for GT86 money, someone on PH would be whining it lacked power and that their chipped 530D was quicker from 47-53!
).The F150 and P1 will be examples of what can be done. For me the Huayra is the example of what SHOULD be and I really DO want one!
M.
PS On the other hand, I can remember F150 and P1 without having to do a Google search to get the correct spelling!
Edited by marcosgt on Friday 1st March 14:55
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