RE: Toyota GT-86 Convertible: Revealed (sort of)
Discussion
anything fast said:
I wouldnt buy a brand new everyday car and then go elsewhere for an aftermarket conversion. I would much rather buy it ready out of the box..
Luckily Nissan have loads of 370zs sitting around which sound like they fit your requirements. Now, what were you saying about cars not selling well...
redroadster said:
What other 2 plus 2 sporty convertables is there for less than 30 grand ? this could be a good seller for toyota people have slagged it off for not been more powerfull but as open top its not so important ,it will make a nice fun car and the family can go too,yes i would buy one .
Depends on how you define "sporty" I guess. Most people buy a TT. ETA: Oops, they're only two seater aren't they? So I suppose the best you'd do would be something American like a Mustang?
Edited by kambites on Friday 1st March 20:40
MC Bodge said:
The engine has managed to pass the various tests required at the present time and still produce power comparable with a Honda Civic VTEC, with a reasonably flat torque curve, without forced induction. Good engineering, non?
Isn't the Toyota direct injection? Will be interesting to see what power it puts out a few years down the line. Also, aren't the Japanese Civics ~240bhp?Gaz. said:
The rear seats of the GT86 convertible are not worth a damn, too small for adults, too small for a child seat and you wouldn't use them as storage in case someone reaches in. New 370Z GT Roadsters are discounted to £32k even with all the fancy options and I have to say I think I'd rather have the Nissan.
You've been in the back of one then? I didn't think they even existed yet!Gaz. said:
kambites said:
You've been in the back of one then? I didn't think they even existed yet!
Just look at the overhead shot, it is fairly self explanatory. It ain't going to be comfortable, but it looks no worse than things like the Prelude, Supra, etc. and they will carry more than two people at a push, which is important for some people.
Antj said:
£30k, normally i would say there will be mugs who will buy it, but i think Toyota used all those mugs up selling them the hardtop.
A good idea when it was muted years back, good PR and press, but ultimately the GT86 is a let down and thats mainly due to two things, the price and the engine.
What do you think of people who buy a Megane RS, Focus ST, Golf GTI?A good idea when it was muted years back, good PR and press, but ultimately the GT86 is a let down and thats mainly due to two things, the price and the engine.
300bhp/ton said:
eh???
PEAK torque is simply the highest torque output in the rev range, this has ZERO bearing on how much torque it makes elsewhere in the rev range.
I admit it does seem to do some weirdness in the mid range (likely due to how they are extracting such high output from it).
But the low end torque is as strong as the PEAK torque pretty much. If the after marker could solve that big dip in the mid range it'd be pretty beefy.
But that aside, 2500-3000rpm it makes as much torque as any other na 2.0 does.
My point still stands.PEAK torque is simply the highest torque output in the rev range, this has ZERO bearing on how much torque it makes elsewhere in the rev range.
I admit it does seem to do some weirdness in the mid range (likely due to how they are extracting such high output from it).
But the low end torque is as strong as the PEAK torque pretty much. If the after marker could solve that big dip in the mid range it'd be pretty beefy.
But that aside, 2500-3000rpm it makes as much torque as any other na 2.0 does.
Think about it. Changing up just before the limiter makes more of a difference to drag race times the higher in the rev range the peak torque figure appears. In a turbodiesel where peak torque is low down in the rev range, redlining it won't give you a significant acceleration advantage, in fact it could put you at an acceleration disadvantage.
Short memory Toyota?
You tried the same price hiking tactic with the ST202 Celica Cabriolet, and sold very few of them over here. (iirc it was £30k!)
I can't help but think that the GT86 isn't the right car for a drop top. A sunroof or Webasto style roof (fiat 500 style) would be better IMO.
You tried the same price hiking tactic with the ST202 Celica Cabriolet, and sold very few of them over here. (iirc it was £30k!)
I can't help but think that the GT86 isn't the right car for a drop top. A sunroof or Webasto style roof (fiat 500 style) would be better IMO.
deltashad said:
Gorgeous, we test drove an 86 coupe a while ago, felt wonderful. Light, agile rorty engine, and occasional rear seats.
Exactly. Having occasional rear seats sits quite high on my list of requirements from a car. Having full size seats enough to fit three six-footers for a long motorway journey probably won't be a requirement for many people. People dissing those rear seats must be hermits.I have found the rear seats in the gt86 to be fine, passengers have been surprised that it wasn't as uncomfortable as it looks, admittedly journeys have been sub half an hour. I think it looks very nice but await proper shots with the hood up. Hopefully they won't stick £5k onto the price, as it takes it well above the mx5 price range. I wanted an mx5 originally but found that the extra practicality of the gt86 sold it as a car I could use everyday as my only car. The convertible would have given me open top driving I still really miss.
Kozy said:
anything fast said:
I wouldnt buy a brand new everyday car and then go elsewhere for an aftermarket conversion. I would much rather buy it ready out of the box..
Luckily Nissan have loads of 370zs sitting around which sound like they fit your requirements. Now, what were you saying about cars not selling well...
anything fast said:
You are right! thats why I would think it would be far better if they had more than just one engine option. As for Nissan 370z's I think they are hideous to look at and even worse on the inside, so no suprise they sell worse than herpes. A more powerful GT86 would still be cheaper than a 370 and to bolt on a low pressure small turbo would make little difference to emissions etc. They could then have three options, N/A, turbo (circa 250 BHP) and high boost turbo (circa 300 BHP) and raise the prices accordingly. The faster ones would lift the image of the lesser ones and overall they would sell a lot more as a result.. a factory 300 BHP would be like a cut price Caymen! Now that would be cool.
Well, I can't really argue that, a three tier range would be pretty good, I suppose it worked adequately for the MR2, Celica and Supra...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff