RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Liveblog
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365daytonafan said:
Are you assuming someone who can afford to spend over £1m on a car cannot afford a computer that runs a browser newer than IE6?
Grenoble said:
That is only used by 6.7% globally and only 0.6% in the UK.
http://www.ie6countdown.com/
Two bites! I eat well tonight.http://www.ie6countdown.com/
You have to love the Swiss. Probably the county in Europe least interested in cars, no domestic car industry, few race tracks, no grand prix, no international racers and very restrictive exhaust noise regulations. And yet they host one of the biggest car shows in Europe. As much of a paradox as their squeaky clean image.
smilo996 said:
You have to love the Swiss. Probably the county in Europe least interested in cars, no domestic car industry, few race tracks, no grand prix, no international racers and very restrictive exhaust noise regulations. And yet they host one of the biggest car shows in Europe. As much of a paradox as their squeaky clean image.
They have plenty of racers, plenty of fast cars. They just don't race them in Switzerland.Colleague of mine lives there. Has US, French and Swiss drivers licence. Swaps them around as points accumulate...
And they do speed, they just know where and when to do it.
There is a road above Nyon where the performance dealerships take their prospective buyers, and a professional racer takes them up this road in the model of car they are thinking of buying. Very high conversion rate to sales apparently. And the police strangely don't mind, which is unusual for Switzerland. Mind you, it is a road that only goes to a customs post so not heavily trafficed by police, oddly.
smilo996 said:
You have to love the Swiss. Probably the county in Europe least interested in cars, no domestic car industry, few race tracks, no grand prix, no international racers and very restrictive exhaust noise regulations. And yet they host one of the biggest car shows in Europe. As much of a paradox as their squeaky clean image.
Do you think that maybe they view selling cars as a way of making money?That would fit nicely in to the national stereotype.
P1 is a pretty car. the rest look like batman stealth fighter nonsense, they will not age well. 4C is a lovely looking thing but ruined by the wing mirrors.
Ferrari used to make good looking cars year in year out, only the 458 will age well of the last 25 years.
Lambo just go for shock factor knowing full well new money will be all over the order book for delivery somewhere around park lane. Their last car that was alround 'pretty or handsome' car was the Murcielago. Before that the Miura.
Of course it is all in the eye of the beholder.
Ferrari used to make good looking cars year in year out, only the 458 will age well of the last 25 years.
Lambo just go for shock factor knowing full well new money will be all over the order book for delivery somewhere around park lane. Their last car that was alround 'pretty or handsome' car was the Murcielago. Before that the Miura.
Of course it is all in the eye of the beholder.
Office jnr just said that the new Lambo 'looks hideous, almost like someone crashed it and then an infant glued it back together. Wrong.' IMO the boy;s spot on, that thing looks s
t. The Ferrari's name is st. The Alfa looks the st.
How the balls can they afford to make a carbon tubbed car for that little? Even with the F1 and Ferrari developments making their carbon technology cheaper than the average car manufacturer would find it, I don't get how this is such good value. Massive spades of want though!
t. The Ferrari's name is st. The Alfa looks the st. How the balls can they afford to make a carbon tubbed car for that little? Even with the F1 and Ferrari developments making their carbon technology cheaper than the average car manufacturer would find it, I don't get how this is such good value. Massive spades of want though!
I read what people have said thinking that the P1 was better looking than the Ferrari - but you're wrong.
The McLaren is a bit dull looking and derivative of its predecessors. Yes it will age well as the F1 has done, but it will really looking like a stretched out F1. (Of course I would still have one)
The Ferrari is dynamic art and will probably sell on the classic car black market for far more than £1.3 million in years to come. Also it doesn't rely on these new fangled turbo things for its power, it uses capacity. Its aerodynamic features are concealed underneath not brandished in your face like Paganis. It outguns Lamborghini in power if not in wild "Hot Wheels" looks.
What a crying shame that these cars will be owned by the likes of 22 year old footballers and Will.I.Am
The McLaren is a bit dull looking and derivative of its predecessors. Yes it will age well as the F1 has done, but it will really looking like a stretched out F1. (Of course I would still have one)
The Ferrari is dynamic art and will probably sell on the classic car black market for far more than £1.3 million in years to come. Also it doesn't rely on these new fangled turbo things for its power, it uses capacity. Its aerodynamic features are concealed underneath not brandished in your face like Paganis. It outguns Lamborghini in power if not in wild "Hot Wheels" looks.
What a crying shame that these cars will be owned by the likes of 22 year old footballers and Will.I.Am
ukmike2000 said:
I read what people have said thinking that the P1 was better looking than the Ferrari - but you're wrong.
The McLaren is a bit dull looking and derivative of its predecessors. Yes it will age well as the F1 has done, but it will really looking like a stretched out F1. (Of course I would still have one)
The Ferrari is dynamic art and will probably sell on the classic car black market for far more than £1.3 million in years to come. Also it doesn't rely on these new fangled turbo things for its power, it uses capacity. Its aerodynamic features are concealed underneath not brandished in your face like Paganis. It outguns Lamborghini in power if not in wild "Hot Wheels" looks.
What a crying shame that these cars will be owned by the likes of 22 year old footballers and Will.I.Am
I'm not sure there is a wrong or right. It is only opinion and whilst some designs appeal to some they repel others. Now money and technology aside (they are all much of a muchness in this rarified category) the P1 design flows and is aesthetic to the eye. La Ferrari (sh*t name aside) has too much going on in the body, too many abrupt lines that don't merge or progress and therefore gives up its beauty. Frankly at this price I would want it to look beautiful covered in cat sick. It is like a watered down Lambo, and therefore does not impress here either as it makes compromises on the outrageous.The McLaren is a bit dull looking and derivative of its predecessors. Yes it will age well as the F1 has done, but it will really looking like a stretched out F1. (Of course I would still have one)
The Ferrari is dynamic art and will probably sell on the classic car black market for far more than £1.3 million in years to come. Also it doesn't rely on these new fangled turbo things for its power, it uses capacity. Its aerodynamic features are concealed underneath not brandished in your face like Paganis. It outguns Lamborghini in power if not in wild "Hot Wheels" looks.
What a crying shame that these cars will be owned by the likes of 22 year old footballers and Will.I.Am
I don't and never will own either marques so I am completely impartial, i am an admirer of both. The 458 is a peach. The P1 is not. the F1 is timeless the MPC40 is not.
I am starting to despair of the current mainstream supercar designers. They all seem to think hypercars should look like a ram raid on Halfords. I wouldn’t be seen dead in any of the current offerings. They are all garish and tasteless. Fashion seems to be dictating car styling and the current crop of cars are about as subtle as a kardasian throwing herself at you while trying to do the splits.
Whatever happened to the idea that less is more. Maybe I’m getting old but in my mind the Gallardo was the last pretty looking supercar, or possibly the 355.
These do nothing for me.
Whatever happened to the idea that less is more. Maybe I’m getting old but in my mind the Gallardo was the last pretty looking supercar, or possibly the 355.
These do nothing for me.
Looks wise, the Alfa 4C is so nearly there for me, but it's just a tad too slishy/slashy and betrays a lack of a really confident understanding of form on the part of the designer (as so often in this CAD/CAM age). With luck, it'll be a good package although with Alfa, the quality of ride and handling can be hard to predict (nothing that can't be tweaked though, I'm sure). I'm interested, but with reservations.
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