RE: Mallory Park's future in doubt
Discussion
krisdelta said:
Interesting set of pressures here - how would it go down if I moved to Slough and complained about Heathrow? Would anyone consider closing it?
No, but iirc the locals did complain enough to get the times the planes can fly in restricted to something like 7.30am-9.00pm. Basically stopping them flying in all night long. krisdelta said:
I find it facinating that anyone could move close enough to a circuit to be disturbed by the noise, then be affronted because of the noise - bananas.
Sadly this is the norm nowadays. Its the "I want" and "i'm alright Jack" attitude.Not a track but the village i grew up in had a bakers that had been there for hundreds of years and was renowned in the county.
Someone moved in a few doors down (small village street) and began moaning to the council almost immediately about the smell and noise the bakery made in the morning.
The baker was asked to relocate 8 miles away to an industrial estate which he did. the village lost its local baker and after only a few years the bakery closed down.
Back the matter in hand i do hope that Mallory stays. Its a great little track and one of my favorites.
j_s14a said:
The people complaining should consider the implications of their actions! If the circuit closes, their local economy will be hit, hard.
We've had the same problems at Elvington, the local pub makes a lot of money from the track days, yet a small vocal minority are trying to ban these events.
Really ? like 1 pub and a b&b, the locals need to weigh up the risk of having a track making noise compared to the track being sold and having a new estate built there changing the village for ever.We've had the same problems at Elvington, the local pub makes a lot of money from the track days, yet a small vocal minority are trying to ban these events.
DanielSan said:
Apparently some locals were even claiming they have to wear ear defenders on 'noisy' days. Yet again it's just a bunch of miserable twunts who are scared the value of their houses might drop due to being near a race track.
hasn't affected the asking price of this place on the circuit's doorstep...http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...
the estate agents obviously don't have a problem selling houses even with the noise.
Lot's of people blaming the locals without knowing much about there case it seems, how many of the people commenting live next to a race track?
A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
marcng said:
Lot's of people blaming the locals without knowing much about there case it seems, how many of the people commenting live next to a race track?
A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
So if the track want the agreement changed, more days use, the locals say no the council side with them , then what? A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
The track gets sold and the little village is no longer quite so little.
marcng said:
Lot's of people blaming the locals without knowing much about there case it seems, how many of the people commenting live next to a race track?
A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
It's quite simple. I wouldn't live next to a race track if noise 3 days a week would piss me off.A little more information could be helpful, what are the issues? The course exceeding the contractural limit on number of days used? To many vehicles getting on the track that exceed the noise limits? Not enough done to reduce the noise made by planting trees, noise absorbing barriers around the track, like those used on urban motorways?
If the issue is that a fair contractural agreement has been made between the locals and the track, then it's the tracks own fault if they don't stick to it Imo.
People seem to be over complicating this subject;
Put up with something that's been there 50 years, or go somewhere else.
marcng said:
Lot's of people blaming the locals without knowing much about there case it seems, how many of the people commenting live next to a race track?
This is PH...Do you really think any self respecting PHer would complain about living near a track???
If the locals (who, more than likely have moved in in the last 50 yrs) are not the ones to blame, who is? The owners of the track, for breaking noise agreements? Potentially, yes. However, the track was there prior to the noise agreement and so were some (no doubt) of the local residents.
Perhaps every track in the UK should have a noise limit/agreement based on the sports/racing cars of that era year of manufacture?
Frimley111R said:
On the other side of the fence though, are circuits running more and more days?
See my post earlier. Lots of people ranting, but that's not actually going to help anyone resolve this, and very few people appear to have read the link helpfully supplied in the main story.The locals nor the council want to see the circuit closed, the rightfully point out it would actually have a negative impact locally.
ukaskew said:
Whilst I feel strongly that a circuit that has existed for so long should have some sort of protection (particularly as it was an airfield in a previous life, it's very unlikely anyone lived there when it was just fields), I think I can see where the local residents are having issues.
The current financial climate is having a big impact, circuits need to operate on an almost year-round basis to stay viable, but that is annoying some locals. The limited number of race days allowed are nowhere near enough to stay in business, so they are stretching activity to the limit.
My local circuit is Castle Combe, who obviously have well documented noise issues. I don't know the exact numbers, but some sort of circuit activity seems to take place pretty much every other day as they look to expand their offerings to stay afloat.
I often wonder if some of the non-competitive events they run are really worth it, Japfest is a huge event but it causes massive problems in the local villages and towns and always generates significant press locally. If anything was likely to press the locals not action it's going to be an event like that, not a race day. I note they are also holding the French Car Show this year, that, Japfest and Rallyday alone will generate more anger than a full year of racing.
Interesting that you mention Japfest and Rallyday at Combe.The current financial climate is having a big impact, circuits need to operate on an almost year-round basis to stay viable, but that is annoying some locals. The limited number of race days allowed are nowhere near enough to stay in business, so they are stretching activity to the limit.
My local circuit is Castle Combe, who obviously have well documented noise issues. I don't know the exact numbers, but some sort of circuit activity seems to take place pretty much every other day as they look to expand their offerings to stay afloat.
I often wonder if some of the non-competitive events they run are really worth it, Japfest is a huge event but it causes massive problems in the local villages and towns and always generates significant press locally. If anything was likely to press the locals not action it's going to be an event like that, not a race day. I note they are also holding the French Car Show this year, that, Japfest and Rallyday alone will generate more anger than a full year of racing.
I have not attended Japfest after horror stories of hold ups, traffic jams etc, however, i have attended Rallyday 2 out of the last 3 years, drove straight into the circuit without hold up and left without hold up both times. So is this down to the organisers or numbers?
Interesting someone ask above, are they racing at night at Mallory and all other tracks with noise issues. On that basis i am assuming the people complaining are either wealthy enough to enjoy early retirement or, are people of retirement age or above so therefore are not at work and most likely mutton jeff anyway, i can hear my good old mums telly as i get out of the car in her driveway.
This is usual crusade from a few individuals press ganging locals into "support" of their cause and giving them something to do to relieve the boredom of their retirement, early or not.
I will echo most other peoples thoughts, if you have moved into an area with obvious noise levels, motor racing circuits, airports, train stations, nightclubs etc you should have all concerns over noise voided immediately as by the very nature of your move you are accepting them, within reason of course, i.e not every weekend or at nights!
I do hear councils are having noise feeds fed to them from certain circuits on a monitoring basis! How true that is i do not know.
astra la vista said:
DanielSan said:
Apparently some locals were even claiming they have to wear ear defenders on 'noisy' days. Yet again it's just a bunch of miserable twunts who are scared the value of their houses might drop due to being near a race track.
hasn't affected the asking price of this place on the circuit's doorstep...http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...
the estate agents obviously don't have a problem selling houses even with the noise.
heightswitch said:
The other point of view is around noise. it isn't actually that hard to silence a car well. it would loose a bit of power but so would the rest of the grid??
Olive branch and not hard to enforce!!
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Olive branch and not hard to enforce!!
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- Dons flamesuit*
Therefore if the choice is between having a racetrack at all and cars/bikes getting quieter, surely the latter is massively preferable? Don't racers/trackday goers just need to accept that noise is becoming more and more of an issue and silence their cars accordingly?
The "I'm alright jack" argument cuts both ways - it's not much less selfish to expect to be entitled to run your noisy race/track car at every circuit.
ETA - Circuits could, for example, offer the hire of removable slip/bolt-on external silencers for a nominal fee.
Edited by _Neal_ on Thursday 7th March 12:27
[quote=ukaskew]
See my post earlier. Lots of people ranting, but that's not actually going to help anyone resolve this, and very few people appear to have read the link helpfully supplied in the main story.
The locals nor the council want to see the circuit closed, the rightfully point out it would actually have a negative impact locally.
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They might not want the circuit closed but if i run the circuit and have permission for 50 track days but need 100 to make the figures work then what?
Either they give me more track days or the tracks no longer viable, and if that's the case it will be sold.
See my post earlier. Lots of people ranting, but that's not actually going to help anyone resolve this, and very few people appear to have read the link helpfully supplied in the main story.
The locals nor the council want to see the circuit closed, the rightfully point out it would actually have a negative impact locally.
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They might not want the circuit closed but if i run the circuit and have permission for 50 track days but need 100 to make the figures work then what?
Either they give me more track days or the tracks no longer viable, and if that's the case it will be sold.
I'm sorry but if you move next to a race track that has been there since the 1950's then you have no right to complain!
Personally i reckon if the local residents are complaining, to resolve the situation their houses should be demolished or they should be forceably removed, and moved where they cannot be disturbed by a race track. Come on some common sense please, as previously mentioned if you bought a house in slough you hardly have a right to complain about the noise!
This happens all over the place and its a real shame.
Personally i reckon if the local residents are complaining, to resolve the situation their houses should be demolished or they should be forceably removed, and moved where they cannot be disturbed by a race track. Come on some common sense please, as previously mentioned if you bought a house in slough you hardly have a right to complain about the noise!
This happens all over the place and its a real shame.
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