RE: Mallory Park's future in doubt
Discussion
we've got the same s
te going on with our local primary school, the entrance to which is actually the cul de sac i live in.
the schools been there since my house was-mid sixties. anyone who lives on the close has known about it & can't complain otherwise, or so you'd think.
they're planning an extra classroom & the locals are up in arms about it-increased noise, traffic you name it...
never mind the fact that if me & the other half have kids we'd want them to be able to get in there i can't see the point. yes there'll be more traffic & disruption but that's progress.
nimby's.
te going on with our local primary school, the entrance to which is actually the cul de sac i live in.the schools been there since my house was-mid sixties. anyone who lives on the close has known about it & can't complain otherwise, or so you'd think.
they're planning an extra classroom & the locals are up in arms about it-increased noise, traffic you name it...
never mind the fact that if me & the other half have kids we'd want them to be able to get in there i can't see the point. yes there'll be more traffic & disruption but that's progress.
nimby's.
There is a nasty creeping subtext here that I really don't like.
I've no doubt that some of the residents of Kirkby Mallory complained when racing started there in 1963. However, clearly the majority opinion won out and as a result the track not only brings money into the local area, but also provides facilities for Caterham's Midlands branch and Triumph motorcycles to test their new vehicles. It is of extreme importance to the UK's race-engineering sector, which is the envy of the world (not that the average NIMBY would recognise this).
The racing continued for 50 years, and I've no doubt that many people actually moved there BECAUSE of the circuit. No-one forced anyone to move there and it's impossible to do so without really noticing that there's a major racetrack next door.
So, what is it about the times we live in that means fast cars can be demonised and economic assets threatened for reasons that have existed for 50 years? For the last 50 years it's been the residents who were at fault for moving there. Now it's 'the car' for just, well, existing.
If Mallory Park dies out, then there will be no reason for Caterham Midlands to be based where they are. I suspect John Bloor moved Triumph to Hinckley because of it. I hope the NIMBY residents will be happy when local shops and pubs close down due to reduced footfall and Kirkby Mallory becomes a dreary ghost town. Idiots.
I've no doubt that some of the residents of Kirkby Mallory complained when racing started there in 1963. However, clearly the majority opinion won out and as a result the track not only brings money into the local area, but also provides facilities for Caterham's Midlands branch and Triumph motorcycles to test their new vehicles. It is of extreme importance to the UK's race-engineering sector, which is the envy of the world (not that the average NIMBY would recognise this).
The racing continued for 50 years, and I've no doubt that many people actually moved there BECAUSE of the circuit. No-one forced anyone to move there and it's impossible to do so without really noticing that there's a major racetrack next door.
So, what is it about the times we live in that means fast cars can be demonised and economic assets threatened for reasons that have existed for 50 years? For the last 50 years it's been the residents who were at fault for moving there. Now it's 'the car' for just, well, existing.
If Mallory Park dies out, then there will be no reason for Caterham Midlands to be based where they are. I suspect John Bloor moved Triumph to Hinckley because of it. I hope the NIMBY residents will be happy when local shops and pubs close down due to reduced footfall and Kirkby Mallory becomes a dreary ghost town. Idiots.
_Neal_ said:
heightswitch said:
The other point of view is around noise. it isn't actually that hard to silence a car well. it would loose a bit of power but so would the rest of the grid??
Olive branch and not hard to enforce!!
N.
Olive branch and not hard to enforce!!
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- Dons flamesuit*
Therefore if the choice is between having a racetrack at all and cars/bikes getting quieter, surely the latter is massively preferable? Don't racers/trackday goers just need to accept that noise is becoming more and more of an issue and silence their cars accordingly?
The "I'm alright jack" argument cuts both ways - it's not much less selfish to expect to be entitled to run your noisy race/track car at every circuit.
ETA - Circuits could, for example, offer the hire of removable slip/bolt-on external silencers for a nominal fee.
DanielSan said:
That honestly doesn't surprise me, houses round Donington are exactly the same. The locals complain about the noise of the track, yet there's an airport right next door to it!!!
An airport which has expanded usage over the last few years to quite a large extent with the DHL hub there now. Yet still people move into the village and complain about it - my mate has lived in the village for nearly 40 years and says you can always tell the newbies as they're the ones complaining!Some locals complain about Download too but most people I know don't mind a weekend of dirty, stinking rockers in the Village because they tend to buy a lot of things (mainly food and beer, not so much deodorant)
Back to Mallory, seems from what I've read that its the late night festival stuff that's caused a problem along with the lack of communication from the owners. It would seems sensible for the owners to take some pro-active measures though to mask as much sound generated as possible (trees, fences etc) at least to appease the locals as they are never ever going to be completely satisfied.
Im guessing the track days/race days take place in the day, which means most people will be at work, younger people school. No problem. If they are retired they are old/deaf anyway and possibly lived through the blitz.. which, again im guessing here, was alot louder than a caterham r500 with a de-cat. If they are unemployed then they have no say in matters anyway. fking scum ... 
I realise they also race/trackday at weekends but of course that doesnt matter
They should all be stood next to the track with a cheap burger enjoying the racing.
king scum ... I realise they also race/trackday at weekends but of course that doesnt matter
They should all be stood next to the track with a cheap burger enjoying the racing.
...Just looked at it on Google maps, i'd forgetten but i once went there to watch as side car race about 20 years ago...i remember a side car bloke being thrown clear of the car and went head first into hay bail, he got up to the cheers of the crowd...
that village is very near to the circuit, surely the current residents were only too aware that they had a race track on their doorsteps...
Have a look at Cadwell park, you could set off a small nuclear device there and i don't think anybody would notice...
that village is very near to the circuit, surely the current residents were only too aware that they had a race track on their doorsteps...
Have a look at Cadwell park, you could set off a small nuclear device there and i don't think anybody would notice...
ukaskew said:
My local circuit is Castle Combe, who obviously have well documented noise issues. I don't know the exact numbers, but some sort of circuit activity seems to take place pretty much every other day as they look to expand their offerings to stay afloat.
I often wonder if some of the non-competitive events they run are really worth it, Japfest is a huge event but it causes massive problems in the local villages and towns and always generates significant press locally. If anything was likely to press the locals into action it's going to be an event like that, not a race day. I note they are also holding the French Car Show this year, that, Japfest and Rallyday alone will generate more anger than a full year of racing.
I live in the next village to Castle Combe. The circuit's planning permission allows for circa 240 days of operation per year. The most days actually used in a year was circa 175 a few years ago. So it's not used anything like as much as it could be. It's one of the only profitable circuits outside the major ones, hopefully this will continue given the death of the circuit owner last week. I often wonder if some of the non-competitive events they run are really worth it, Japfest is a huge event but it causes massive problems in the local villages and towns and always generates significant press locally. If anything was likely to press the locals into action it's going to be an event like that, not a race day. I note they are also holding the French Car Show this year, that, Japfest and Rallyday alone will generate more anger than a full year of racing.
The issues with Japfest are largely nothing to do with the villages near the circuit. Even the NIMBYest people in our village say that it's only 8 hours of disruption per year. However last year the traffic was insane - 4+ hour queues back as far as the M4 and many people with pre-paid tickets turned away. The biggest complainants are the owner of the local farm shop (who presented an invoice for £10k for lost revenue to the organisers) which was effectively cut off for half the day, and the local industrial estate which was also cut off. I took a BBQ and a massive load of bacon to the pub car park and sold bacon rolls to the hungry queuing people to raise money for the village preschool
I live near an airfield. My in-laws were visiting the other week and complained about the noise of an old historic aircraft taking off. In answer to the question "How do you put up with that noise?" my answer was and always is, "Because I like it!"
However you try to read this story it all comes down to noise. The locals say they don't want the circuit to close but they don't want it to make noise either. I imagine that in the case of the majority of complainants they're wish to keep it open has more to do with the number of houses that could fill it rather than the wish for it to remain a viable business.
As has been mentioned earlier, racing cars and bikes make a lot less noise than they ever used to so long term residents should actually have noticed it becoming progressively quieter as time has gone on. That being said, I'm sure there are steps the circuit owners could take to try to appease them.
Despite the claims by the council that it is not a vocal minority of newbies, it's probably fair to say that there will be a vocal minority who won't rest until this circuit has shut.
However you try to read this story it all comes down to noise. The locals say they don't want the circuit to close but they don't want it to make noise either. I imagine that in the case of the majority of complainants they're wish to keep it open has more to do with the number of houses that could fill it rather than the wish for it to remain a viable business.
As has been mentioned earlier, racing cars and bikes make a lot less noise than they ever used to so long term residents should actually have noticed it becoming progressively quieter as time has gone on. That being said, I'm sure there are steps the circuit owners could take to try to appease them.
Despite the claims by the council that it is not a vocal minority of newbies, it's probably fair to say that there will be a vocal minority who won't rest until this circuit has shut.
aww999 said:
My local track is Bedofrd, which I think is one of the strictest noise limits in the UK. While it may be possible for most trackday cars to quieten their exhausts some more, at Bedford the noise limit is so strict that squealing tyres (from sliding the car around) can apparently set it off. If they keep reducing allowable noise levels, we will be limited to driving nice quiet cars around, but not too fast in case a tyre squeaks.
I've done a few days at Bedford, the noise limits are strict, but it didn't seem to stop people having fun, or limit the popularity of days there. In terms of tyre squeal I think only sustained sliding (drifting or similar) in the dry triggers the detectors. It certainly doesn't dissuade people from pushing hard and enjoying themselves. Anyway, my point is that moaning that people "shouldn't have the right" to complain is crushingly pointless - they do have the right, so circuits and local residents need to reach a compromise if they are going to exist side-by-side. Limiting exhaust noise would seem to me to be an easy fix.
Twincam16 said:
There is a nasty creeping subtext here that I really don't like.
I've no doubt that some of the residents of Kirkby Mallory complained when racing started there in 1963. However, clearly the majority opinion won out and as a result the track not only brings money into the local area, but also provides facilities for Caterham's Midlands branch and Triumph motorcycles to test their new vehicles. It is of extreme importance to the UK's race-engineering sector, which is the envy of the world (not that the average NIMBY would recognise this).
The racing continued for 50 years, and I've no doubt that many people actually moved there BECAUSE of the circuit. No-one forced anyone to move there and it's impossible to do so without really noticing that there's a major racetrack next door.
So, what is it about the times we live in that means fast cars can be demonised and economic assets threatened for reasons that have existed for 50 years? For the last 50 years it's been the residents who were at fault for moving there. Now it's 'the car' for just, well, existing.
If Mallory Park dies out, then there will be no reason for Caterham Midlands to be based where they are. I suspect John Bloor moved Triumph to Hinckley because of it. I hope the NIMBY residents will be happy when local shops and pubs close down due to reduced footfall and Kirkby Mallory becomes a dreary ghost town. Idiots.
Well said.I've no doubt that some of the residents of Kirkby Mallory complained when racing started there in 1963. However, clearly the majority opinion won out and as a result the track not only brings money into the local area, but also provides facilities for Caterham's Midlands branch and Triumph motorcycles to test their new vehicles. It is of extreme importance to the UK's race-engineering sector, which is the envy of the world (not that the average NIMBY would recognise this).
The racing continued for 50 years, and I've no doubt that many people actually moved there BECAUSE of the circuit. No-one forced anyone to move there and it's impossible to do so without really noticing that there's a major racetrack next door.
So, what is it about the times we live in that means fast cars can be demonised and economic assets threatened for reasons that have existed for 50 years? For the last 50 years it's been the residents who were at fault for moving there. Now it's 'the car' for just, well, existing.
If Mallory Park dies out, then there will be no reason for Caterham Midlands to be based where they are. I suspect John Bloor moved Triumph to Hinckley because of it. I hope the NIMBY residents will be happy when local shops and pubs close down due to reduced footfall and Kirkby Mallory becomes a dreary ghost town. Idiots.
Foggy748 said:
'travellers' don't buy things do they?
No but they might sell you discounted items egor110 said:
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Personally I can think of nothing better than being awoken at 5am on a summers sunday by roaring old v8s and bang-banging rally cars. Beats those b****rd church bells. What are these people complaining about?
This really makes no sense... would the residents prefer 3,000 new homes instead? Maybe another out of town retail park? Because the way things are with planning laws at the moment I really don't see another alternative use for such a brown field site?
They should be careful what they wish for. They might find themselves longing for the days of just a bit of track noise 5 years from now...
They should be careful what they wish for. They might find themselves longing for the days of just a bit of track noise 5 years from now...
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