RE: Vauxhall Cavalier GSI: PH Ad Break
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S3_Graham said:
exgtt said:
The 2wd was lively, maybe the 4wd killed it a bit? Never driven a 4wd..
Yup. I had a 2wd and a 4x4. The 4x4 was much slower, tomoleeds said:
The cavaliers WERE good cars,i had a 2 SRI"s does anyone know 0-60 times of the SRI and the GSI ?
Not sure if it was same 4x4 sytem as calibra did GSI have a turbo like the Calibra? The sri has 115 and 130 BHP
SRI = http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_webs...Not sure if it was same 4x4 sytem as calibra did GSI have a turbo like the Calibra? The sri has 115 and 130 BHP
a mate had a 130 not long after we left school. worked for his dad's carpet fitting business and was a proper "loadsamoney". lord knows what the insurance was. at the time it went like stink compared to my push bike.
he crashed it within a year and then got a renault 5 gt turbo!
excel monkey said:
exgtt said:
Brilliant cars! What was Ford offering at the time, the Sapphire 2.0 twin cam? The Cavaliers engine was well ahead of the game, no other multivalve engine came close (in family saloons anyway)
Yep. For five years from 1988-1993, the Cavalier Mk3 had its time in the sun. Then the Mondeo was launched, and Vauxhall never caught up after that.Odd what you say about Ford vs Vauxhall, Vauxhall had some dark days but i think the Insignia is a better car than the current Mondeo and i think the range is far more extensive.
I had a 2.5 V6 L Reg Cavalier (168ps I believe), I still like it's shape today. There's something about the front of it that I can't put my finger on, it was the same with the Carlton's my dad had back in the day - the front end was my fav angle.
I would consider one of these today but have no use for one really.
I would consider one of these today but have no use for one really.
In truth the XR4x4 (2.9) and a GSI2000 4x4 were direct competitors, and very closely matched in outright performance, certainly my XR was a match for a good friends GSI, and 2 or 3 others over the years. However, the sierra had torque from virtually no revs, whereas the cavalier loved to rev, so were very different to drive.
Incidentally, he got a brand new GSI2000 4x4 for his 21st birthday, and I believe he may still have it. 1992 on J if I remember right.
I seem to remember stories of the GM 4wd system being a little weak.
Happy days indeed. Nobody cared about fuel consumption. Or at least nobody under 60!
Incidentally, he got a brand new GSI2000 4x4 for his 21st birthday, and I believe he may still have it. 1992 on J if I remember right.
I seem to remember stories of the GM 4wd system being a little weak.
Happy days indeed. Nobody cared about fuel consumption. Or at least nobody under 60!
Loplop said:
If you're going to compare the 'Cosseh' compare it to the Cavalier Turbo which had 204bhp and 4WD.
6 Speed Box too don'tcha know?
0 - 60 in 6.4 Seconds Which is about half a second slower than a Saph, but it'll also reach 149mph.
They don't blow themselves up anywhere near as often and are a lot easier to get power from.
A 2.0 4x4 Sierra is more comparable to a GSi 2000 4x4.
That makes the Sierra look awfully slow.
You don't have to re-mortgage your house to buy a Cav Turbo these days either.
I wasn't really comparing them just addressing the point made that Vauxhall always had the faster car, which they didn't.6 Speed Box too don'tcha know?
0 - 60 in 6.4 Seconds Which is about half a second slower than a Saph, but it'll also reach 149mph.
They don't blow themselves up anywhere near as often and are a lot easier to get power from.
A 2.0 4x4 Sierra is more comparable to a GSi 2000 4x4.
That makes the Sierra look awfully slow.
You don't have to re-mortgage your house to buy a Cav Turbo these days either.
Oddball RS said:
Odd what you say about Ford vs Vauxhall, Vauxhall had some dark days but i think the Insignia is a better car than the current Mondeo and i think the range is far more extensive.
Odd to you, maybe. I don't think Vauxhall have had a genuinely class-leading car since the Mk3 Cavalier, except maybe the Zafira which created a class of its own for a few years.I know the Insignia is doing well in terms of sales, but they're pretty much giving them away. I really pity Vauxhall dealers at the moment. Must be a tough gig.
Edited by excel monkey on Thursday 7th March 14:30
excel monkey said:
Oddball RS said:
Odd what you say about Ford vs Vauxhall, Vauxhall had some dark days but i think the Insignia is a better car than the current Mondeo and i think the range is far more extensive.
Odd to you, maybe. I don't think Vauxhall have had a genuinely class-leading car since the Mk3 Cavalier, except maybe the Zafira which created a class of its own for a few years. I really pity Vauxhall dealers at the moment. Must be a tough gig.as far as cheesy vauxhall adverts go, much prefer this one ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZbO-nROFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZbO-nROFg
My 19 year old cuz had one of these brand new in dark blue on a K plate (his Daddy was rich) and he put in black leather seats from a Cavalier Diplomat and as I was only 14 I thought the car and him were the coolest thing ever! I remember some bloke in a rover 216GTi trying to give us a run for our money....didn't stand a chance, aaaaah great days!
m6rk said:
as far as cheesy vauxhall adverts go, much prefer this one ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZbO-nROFg
Just before the first change of camera angle you can see the first attempt landed on the roof of the Talbot Horizon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZbO-nROFg
Caulkhead said:
I love the nostalgia for truly mediocre cars on this forum. I had an SRi130 and a 4x4 from new as company cars and if you take off your rose-tinted glasses for a second they really were average. Decent engines mated to unpleasant gearchanges, poor steering and dead handling.
Out of here heathen.MrDecadent said:
I had a 2.5 V6 L Reg Cavalier (168ps I believe), I still like it's shape today. There's something about the front of it that I can't put my finger on, it was the same with the Carlton's my dad had back in the day - the front end was my fav angle.
I would consider one of these today but have no use for one really.
I was wondering how long it'd take until someone mentioned the humble V6! I would consider one of these today but have no use for one really.
I had two of these, the first a mint M-reg CDX. The second was a not so mint L-reg standard 'V6'. The early models were simply badged 'V6' but later on the engine was made available with the GLS, CDX and Diplomat, I think.
Unlike the GSI and Turbo they wern't really marketed as a 'sporty' car, more aimed at 'mature' middle-management types. As a result they've got quite a soft, lazy feel them, mainly down to tall gearing. Superb mile munchers, a much nicer place to be on a trip compared to the ST24 Mondeo, though the Mondeo would eat it alive on the twisties.
Loplop said:
If you're going to compare the 'Cosseh' compare it to the Cavalier Turbo which had 204bhp and 4WD.
6 Speed Box too don'tcha know?
You don't have to re-mortgage your house to buy a Cav Turbo these days either.
Finding a good Cavalier Turbo these days is the issue. There was a good Reader's Rides thread a while back about a PH'er who had a minter, but it took loads of work to get it to that standard again and even finding a garage willing to do the bodywork to a reasonable standard was an issue IIRC!6 Speed Box too don'tcha know?
You don't have to re-mortgage your house to buy a Cav Turbo these days either.
I've always quite liked the Cavalier Turbo. It's a good looking car; smart and purposeful in the way that good late 80's and early 90's sports saloons were. My friend, an ex-traffic copper who drove one at work, is less generous than I am when it comes to them. He, and his colleagues, thought them far inferior to the Sierra and Escort Cosworths, in terms of build and drive. The Sierras were Sapphires (often adorned with the 4x4 vented bonnets though) and so RWD, so not a fair comparison. The Escort Cosworth was a fairer match being AWD, but unlike the Cavalier, it was permanent 4x4 and much preferred to the Vauxhall, though it was in itself criticised for being too small and uncomfortable for police work at times. The Cavalier used a viscous coupling AWD system, which typically drove 85% front to rear but could direct up to 100% of power eitherway when the wheels were slipping. In spite of this, my friend reckons it still felt like a nose-heavy FWD'er most of the time, whereas the Escort Cosworth was a dream handler.
I would still like to try a Cavalier Turbo 4x4 to find out for myself, but having driven and owned Haldex coupled cars in the past, I get a feeling I know what it will be like!
Lovely looking thing though:
Baryonyx said:
Finding a good Cavalier Turbo these days is the issue. There was a good Reader's Rides thread a while back about a PH'er who had a minter, but it took loads of work to get it to that standard again and even finding a garage willing to do the bodywork to a reasonable standard was an issue IIRC!
I've always quite liked the Cavalier Turbo. It's a good looking car; smart and purposeful in the way that good late 80's and early 90's sports saloons were. My friend, an ex-traffic copper who drove one at work, is less generous than I am when it comes to them. He, and his colleagues, thought them far inferior to the Sierra and Escort Cosworths, in terms of build and drive. The Sierras were Sapphires (often adorned with the 4x4 vented bonnets though) and so RWD, so not a fair comparison. The Escort Cosworth was a fairer match being AWD, but unlike the Cavalier, it was permanent 4x4 and much preferred to the Vauxhall, though it was in itself criticised for being too small and uncomfortable for police work at times. The Cavalier used a viscous coupling AWD system, which typically drove 85% front to rear but could direct up to 100% of power eitherway when the wheels were slipping. In spite of this, my friend reckons it still felt like a nose-heavy FWD'er most of the time, whereas the Escort Cosworth was a dream handler.
I would still like to try a Cavalier Turbo 4x4 to find out for myself, but having driven and owned Haldex coupled cars in the past, I get a feeling I know what it will be like!
Lovely looking thing though:
I read that RR thread a couple of days ago, even bumped it in the hope of some progress as his 850R is the one that James May drove over Africa.I've always quite liked the Cavalier Turbo. It's a good looking car; smart and purposeful in the way that good late 80's and early 90's sports saloons were. My friend, an ex-traffic copper who drove one at work, is less generous than I am when it comes to them. He, and his colleagues, thought them far inferior to the Sierra and Escort Cosworths, in terms of build and drive. The Sierras were Sapphires (often adorned with the 4x4 vented bonnets though) and so RWD, so not a fair comparison. The Escort Cosworth was a fairer match being AWD, but unlike the Cavalier, it was permanent 4x4 and much preferred to the Vauxhall, though it was in itself criticised for being too small and uncomfortable for police work at times. The Cavalier used a viscous coupling AWD system, which typically drove 85% front to rear but could direct up to 100% of power eitherway when the wheels were slipping. In spite of this, my friend reckons it still felt like a nose-heavy FWD'er most of the time, whereas the Escort Cosworth was a dream handler.
I would still like to try a Cavalier Turbo 4x4 to find out for myself, but having driven and owned Haldex coupled cars in the past, I get a feeling I know what it will be like!
Lovely looking thing though:
That picture is also of that exact car you're talking about.
Alas, nothing came of it
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