Pictures of 'Stanced' cars
Discussion
Digitalize said:
De-cats. Breaking the law, fail MOT, uninsured, I bet a lot of people on PH run them, but it's fine, go and 'BY THE POWER OF THE LAW!' them.
Pathetic strawman argument.I totally recognise and celebrate any modified car that can pass an MOT test in its full modified condition, provided all the modifications to that car are also agreed to and registered with the insurance company.
Take a look in the mirror, can you swear on your mothers life that every stanced car you see will meet this criteria? Could you swear that you do not know of anyone personally, who has modded his car after the MOT and did not tell his insurance co? Could you swear to that? Or, more usefully, would you tell that person "look mate, about your car, you really should ease of the mods and get the car legal you know...."
Some maturity needed here IMO.
Agoogy said:
the naysayers all ahve a poit I'm beginig to see it.
on that basis we should all stop driving, all of us have broken THE LAW, we should all hand in our licenses. /thread
hypocritical pedants.
But this is your whole argument _ can you not see how pathetic that is? Childish.on that basis we should all stop driving, all of us have broken THE LAW, we should all hand in our licenses. /thread
hypocritical pedants.
I think I am in agreement that this thread should be locked.
toppstuff said:
Pathetic strawman argument.
I totally recognise and celebrate any modified car that can pass an MOT test in its full modified condition, provided all the modifications to that car are also agreed to and registered with the insurance company.
Take a look in the mirror, can you swear on your mothers life that every stanced car you see will meet this criteria? Could you swear that you do not know of anyone personally, who has modded his car after the MOT and did not tell his insurance co? Could you swear to that? Or, more usefully, would you tell that person "look mate, about your car, you really should ease of the mods and get the car legal you know...."
Some maturity needed here IMO.
So you also don't like any car running a de-cat on the road if required to do so?I totally recognise and celebrate any modified car that can pass an MOT test in its full modified condition, provided all the modifications to that car are also agreed to and registered with the insurance company.
Take a look in the mirror, can you swear on your mothers life that every stanced car you see will meet this criteria? Could you swear that you do not know of anyone personally, who has modded his car after the MOT and did not tell his insurance co? Could you swear to that? Or, more usefully, would you tell that person "look mate, about your car, you really should ease of the mods and get the car legal you know...."
Some maturity needed here IMO.
I've never said EVERY car would, many aren't in the UK, but then a lot are in Japan, especially the extreme camber ones, and their tests are stricter than ours.
Consider my Dad is building a GD Cobra Kit Car which will have many things changed after completing its IVA test, and my Mum owns a E36 328i that runs a de-cat manifold, I can't say I do not know anyone personally who changes their car after the MOT. I know people who don't declare all their mods, they're idiots, and I tell them, every single thing is declared on my car, adjustable lower arms, polybushes, catback, coilovers, different seats, audio equipment, uprated brakes, strut brace, I've got a Puma engine conversion sat in my garage waiting until I can afford to the insurance increase before it goes in, meanwhile servicing and changing the cambelt on my current engine too, when it would be far cheaper to put the Puma engine in and not declare it, but I'm not for that behaviour.
If a friend is doing things badly I'll tell him, but I'm not going to tell him what to and not do, and I'm far more worried about whether it is safe rather than legal. My friends Fiesta on Hydros running poke and stretch is fine, there's nothing dangerous about the car, unsure if it would pass an MOT but he doesn't always run his most extreme wheels as they're worth a lot of money, especially not right now as they're chromed dishes.
I just like how they look.
Can the stance affictionados cease and desist with the hyperbole and reductio ad absurdum please, you're really not helping matters.
topstuff, I see where you're coming from, I really do, but please don't tar the entire scene with the same brush based upon the childish retorts and ill-thought arguments of a few.
Just because a car is low, doesn't mean it handles badly.
Just because wheels are tucked or close to arches, doesn't mean they rub.
Just because a tyre looks stretched, doesn't mean it's necessarily outside the manufacturer's guidelines - Toyo specify a maximum rim width of 8.5 for their 215/40ZR17 T1-R, which would give a nice stretch.
Yes, over-stretched tyres are wrong. Yes, tyres that rub under normal driving conditions are wrong. Yes, excessive negative camber is wrong. I have re-iterated those points many times yet, the anti-stancers seem to be picking up on the comments of the few who do not represent the whole. Please don't display yourselves the lack of intelligence you are attributing to people who stance cars by assuming that everyone in the scene thinks that way.
topstuff, I see where you're coming from, I really do, but please don't tar the entire scene with the same brush based upon the childish retorts and ill-thought arguments of a few.
Just because a car is low, doesn't mean it handles badly.
Just because wheels are tucked or close to arches, doesn't mean they rub.
Just because a tyre looks stretched, doesn't mean it's necessarily outside the manufacturer's guidelines - Toyo specify a maximum rim width of 8.5 for their 215/40ZR17 T1-R, which would give a nice stretch.
Yes, over-stretched tyres are wrong. Yes, tyres that rub under normal driving conditions are wrong. Yes, excessive negative camber is wrong. I have re-iterated those points many times yet, the anti-stancers seem to be picking up on the comments of the few who do not represent the whole. Please don't display yourselves the lack of intelligence you are attributing to people who stance cars by assuming that everyone in the scene thinks that way.
skene said:
I'd like you to know that my car is not stanced at all, it's tastefully lowered
Fair enough. Good for you.So why are you defending cars that are more extreme, or , at least, failing to condemn them?
Why are'nt you addressing the real concerns from fellow PH'ers, interested to know how some of these cars remain legal and insured? People have been politely asking to get a better understanding, but not getting many answers...
toppstuff said:
Pathetic strawman argument.
I totally recognise and celebrate any modified car that can pass an MOT test in its full modified condition, provided all the modifications to that car are also agreed to and registered with the insurance company.
Take a look in the mirror, can you swear on your mothers life that every stanced car you see will meet this criteria? Could you swear that you do not know of anyone personally, who has modded his car after the MOT and did not tell his insurance co? Could you swear to that? Or, more usefully, would you tell that person "look mate, about your car, you really should ease of the mods and get the car legal you know...."
coming from a law breaker, your argument will always fall on deaf ears. UNless you can swear that at all times your car will pass an MOT and that at ALL times you keep within given speed limits etc etc...glass houses.....maturity required indeed...
Some maturity needed here IMO.
I totally recognise and celebrate any modified car that can pass an MOT test in its full modified condition, provided all the modifications to that car are also agreed to and registered with the insurance company.
Take a look in the mirror, can you swear on your mothers life that every stanced car you see will meet this criteria? Could you swear that you do not know of anyone personally, who has modded his car after the MOT and did not tell his insurance co? Could you swear to that? Or, more usefully, would you tell that person "look mate, about your car, you really should ease of the mods and get the car legal you know...."
coming from a law breaker, your argument will always fall on deaf ears. UNless you can swear that at all times your car will pass an MOT and that at ALL times you keep within given speed limits etc etc...glass houses.....maturity required indeed...
Some maturity needed here IMO.
toppstuff said:
skene said:
Time for mods to close this thread I think. We obviously aren't allowed to share photos of cars we like the look of on here cause they don't go fast and we care more about how they look than how they perform.
People should not be allowed to show cars that are being driven on the road in contravention of UK law. And people should be taken to task if they disclose on an open forum that they are know of cars that are breaking the law.Go back to the world you came from. And preferably stay off the road. And when you get your car MOT'd, think twice about changing it AFTER the MOT to a spec you know would have failed it. Somewhere in your head, you know it is wrong. Because it is.
So, yes, close the thread.
Some like it, some don't...but there are forums where this type of modification is celebrated and there are some where it is frowned upon/ disliked or misunderstood (whatever you want to call it) and PH is the latter in the main.
We don't stifle debate but when it goes around in circles it seems pointless us hosting it, and is why so many on a similar vein have been closed in the past.
Let's step away from the subject...too many reports for argumentative comments for us to ignore. Shame, but it always descends into chaos.
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