RE: LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Veneno: Aero Battles
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The Top Gear stat must be wrong. Fastest Star lap is 1:42.1, Matt Le Blanc. Which would put the McLaren at 1:32.1 the same as a Focus RS.
Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
CSLmarson said:
fezza looks like a space ship (not in a good way )
lambo is a total clown car !
macca looks fantastic but im sure it will be soleless.
wheres the old school fun
I miss the F40
Don't worry, 'oldschool' still exists... I believe it's now called ahem 'Henessey Venom GT'. And it would be where I would spend my hypothetical million without shame... these Macca and Fezza efforts are mind-bogglingly clever but at the end of the day for me cars in this bracket are about sensation... about getting the driver wired on so much adrenaline you almost can't control it... it's like a powerful drug. Rich people can hook themselves up any time they like. I absolutely enjoyed Meaden's recent Evo article which spelt this out...lambo is a total clown car !
macca looks fantastic but im sure it will be soleless.
wheres the old school fun
I miss the F40
Mark-C said:
So it's all about the aero ... which is why (to me, at least) none of the cars is particularly good looking. I guess for a hypercar then that has to be the case but can someone build a supercar that's pretty?
Going back to the 60's & 70's supercars, they were very beautiful and are a pleasure to behold, but many with 300+bhp were always slightly prone to trying to launch themselves into the air once past 150 mph, mainly due to their good looking curves.It gets harder to make a car look fab now due to legistlation and aero issues, so with all things considered, the P1 & LAF have managed to do okay, even with their restrictions. Not so the Lambrini.
BelperJim said:
The Top Gear stat must be wrong. Fastest Star lap is 1:42.1, Matt Le Blanc. Which would put the McLaren at 1:32.1 the same as a Focus RS.
Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
Ah, but Ron Dennis is no Stig! Maybe he did match the Focus RS time after all! Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
I suspect the latter is true though, and absolutely mental, if so. I also suspect some licence with the truth is taken by TG reporting. It is TG after all!
BelperJim said:
The Top Gear stat must be wrong. Fastest Star lap is 1:42.1, Matt Le Blanc. Which would put the McLaren at 1:32.1 the same as a Focus RS.
Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
God only knows what the time would be. Huayra is 1:13.8. So if it is that time it has beaten by 10 seconds that puts it at 1:03 only 4 seconds slower than the Renault F1 car which was chucked around a while back.
I can imagine the F1 time being way off what you'd expect it to be though - it's not the sort of track where you're going to get up to the sort of speeds they're working effectively, either aero wise or tyres. Even brakes.
pthelazyjourno said:
God only knows what the time would be.
I can imagine the F1 time being way off what you'd expect it to be though - it's not the sort of track where you're going to get up to the sort of speeds they're working effectively, either aero wise or tyres. Even brakes.
1.03 seems too fast..if it is that quick, in the hands of Ron Dennis it is a huge leap forwardI can imagine the F1 time being way off what you'd expect it to be though - it's not the sort of track where you're going to get up to the sort of speeds they're working effectively, either aero wise or tyres. Even brakes.
Dagnut said:
the 12-c is faster than the 458, doesn't make it more desirable.....
Agreed. Having been lucky enough to have some very spirited passenger rides in a lot of old and new exotica/HyperCars, the most enjoyable cars are the raw ones. Not the fastest.
Hate to say it but the MP12-4C really wasn't that exciting in comparison to others. Yes it was blisteringly quick, but very little soul and according to the driver it's just too good, too precise, too predictable and as a result not exciting. He sold it not very long after buying.
I just hope that the P1 doesn't follow suit in that respect.
The P1 looks very good, but for me the LaFerrari is winning my vote in this battle so far, despite the awful name!
Really hope we get to see a head to head battle.
I have very little interest in the Lambo in comparison to the other two. Insanely expensive and IMO really not a looker, very much doubt we will see this one out on the tracks....
Dagnut said:
the 12-c is faster than the 458, doesn't make it more desirable.....
It does to me, but not because of the numbers. McLaren is British and therefore superior to an imported spagetti wagon 
Joking aside, I do love Italian products. But on the rare occasion there is a premium UK product (very rare these days) I think it should be supported 100%.
El Capitano said:
Agreed.
Having been lucky enough to have some very spirited passenger rides in a lot of old and new exotica/HyperCars, the most enjoyable cars are the raw ones. Not the fastest.
Hate to say it but the MP12-4C really wasn't that exciting in comparison to others. Yes it was blisteringly quick, but very little soul and according to the driver it's just too good, too precise, too predictable and as a result not exciting. He sold it not very long after buying.
I just hope that the P1 doesn't follow suit in that respect.
The P1 looks very good, but for me the LaFerrari is winning my vote in this battle so far, despite the awful name!
Really hope we get to see a head to head battle.
I have very little interest in the Lambo in comparison to the other two. Insanely expensive and IMO really not a looker, very much doubt we will see this one out on the tracks....
Depends what you call "exciting" - looking on WreckedExotics there seem to be regular impacts between Ferraris and various inanimate objects. Heading backwards into a ditch may be exciting, but not something I'd like to do in any car.Having been lucky enough to have some very spirited passenger rides in a lot of old and new exotica/HyperCars, the most enjoyable cars are the raw ones. Not the fastest.
Hate to say it but the MP12-4C really wasn't that exciting in comparison to others. Yes it was blisteringly quick, but very little soul and according to the driver it's just too good, too precise, too predictable and as a result not exciting. He sold it not very long after buying.
I just hope that the P1 doesn't follow suit in that respect.
The P1 looks very good, but for me the LaFerrari is winning my vote in this battle so far, despite the awful name!
Really hope we get to see a head to head battle.
I have very little interest in the Lambo in comparison to the other two. Insanely expensive and IMO really not a looker, very much doubt we will see this one out on the tracks....
Here's one today:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
Monty Python said:
Depends what you call "exciting" - looking on WreckedExotics there seem to be regular impacts between Ferraris and various inanimate objects. Heading backwards into a ditch may be exciting, but not something I'd like to do in any car.
Here's one today:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
This really has very little relevance... When did I say I find crashing exciting? Here's one today:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
and another http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics201...
I was saying that a car that is more raw is more exciting in my opinion. Something that perhaps takes a bit of concentration and skill to drive, a car that sounds rights, gives the right feedback and handles right, one that feels rewarding and special to drive.
To me speed isn't everything - yet to many quite simply the quicker car will be the 'best' car.
Saddens me to say this.. but judging by the pics the McLaren is the more cohesive and convincing design.. and this is coming from an Italian!
The Lambo is a complete and utter mess, looks like it has been drawn by a 3 year old, and the Ferrari, though better, still not convincing. Will wait till I see on video before calling it.
The Lambo is a complete and utter mess, looks like it has been drawn by a 3 year old, and the Ferrari, though better, still not convincing. Will wait till I see on video before calling it.
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