RE: Range Rover Sport leaked undisguised
Discussion
Greza said:
I think that's the LWB Evoque.broadslide said:
Looks a very British workshop to me. Do the Yanks have any buildings that old?
:sigh:Some of the buildings are even older than this, which was thrown together about 1300 years ago:
Although when I was there a few of the domestic tourists struggled to understand how the building could be older than their country.
unrepentant said:
Greza said:
I think that's the LWB Evoque.tomoleeds said:
Could have done more with the facelifts, the Sport and the new Vogue, just have new lights the shape is the same,The evogue is the only new model Land rover have brought out since 2002,everything else is a facelift.
Last new model besides Evogue was when the New Range Rover came out in 2002.should have made rear roof on sport more curved. Any Pictures of new interior of the sport,the old dash looked cheap
That's pretty much 100% wrong. Last new model besides Evogue was when the New Range Rover came out in 2002.should have made rear roof on sport more curved. Any Pictures of new interior of the sport,the old dash looked cheap
Debaser said:
tomoleeds said:
Could have done more with the facelifts, the Sport and the new Vogue, just have new lights the shape is the same,The evogue is the only new model Land rover have brought out since 2002,everything else is a facelift.
Last new model besides Evogue was when the New Range Rover came out in 2002.should have made rear roof on sport more curved. Any Pictures of new interior of the sport,the old dash looked cheap
That's pretty much 100% wrong. Last new model besides Evogue was when the New Range Rover came out in 2002.should have made rear roof on sport more curved. Any Pictures of new interior of the sport,the old dash looked cheap
Captain Muppet said:
:sigh:
Some of the buildings are even older than this, which was thrown together about 1300 years ago:
Although when I was there a few of the domestic tourists struggled to understand how the building could be older than their country.
Montezuma's Castle, amazing building in an incredible setting.Some of the buildings are even older than this, which was thrown together about 1300 years ago:
Although when I was there a few of the domestic tourists struggled to understand how the building could be older than their country.
As far as the RRS its nice and conforms well to the new corporate look, brings the RRS bang up to date and the range in to line.
dasherdiablo1 said:
Hope it looks better in the flesh as it looks very small and like a tarted up freelander. I'm sure it will sell like the époque has however I can't see any true RR enthusiast wanting one.
Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.
What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.
I see you have an X3 and a Boxster. Why do you always choose the wannabe and not the real thing?
unrepentant said:
dasherdiablo1 said:
Hope it looks better in the flesh as it looks very small and like a tarted up freelander. I'm sure it will sell like the époque has however I can't see any true RR enthusiast wanting one.
Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.
What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.
I see you have an X3 and a Boxster. Why do you always choose the wannabe and not the real thing?
CY88 said:
CY88 said:
NGK210 said:
Is he a very 'large' gentleman or is the new Sport not much bigger than a Freelander?? 
Unless he's shrunk, to my eyes the new one certainly looks bigger?
unrepentant said:
What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.
All the new customers are largely buying into an image, which is now altered to cater for their dubious tastes and is therefore at risk of not being what they wanted to buy into in the first place. The people who have always bought them will eventually get tired of driving something that looks like they've lost their chrome caravan and move on to something less flash.I know it will be a really good car but in isolation nobody would be surprised if that was a new Kia.
(As for them all being powerful - my experiences of 300Tdi, Td6 and TDV6 Range Rovers/Sports suggests otherwise).
NomduJour said:
unrepentant said:
What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.
All the new customers are largely buying into an image, which is now altered to cater for their dubious tastes and is therefore at risk of not being what they wanted to buy into in the first place. The people who have always bought them will eventually get tired of driving something that looks like they've lost their chrome caravan and move on to something less flash.I know it will be a really good car but in isolation nobody would be surprised if that was a new Kia.
(As for them all being powerful - my experiences of 300Tdi, Td6 and TDV6 Range Rovers/Sports suggests otherwise).
ks. Have you driven the new RR? It's epic, the best SUV ever. Most people buying them are trading in an L322 to do so. For some people it's their 5th, 8th, 10th Range Rover in a row. As for powerful, have you ever driven a 5.0 S/C Sport? It's powerful believe me but pales compared to the new FFRR with the same engine. 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and the new Sport will probably be quicker. As for dubious taste, who are you to tell the lawyers and doctors and ceo's that are ponying up $70k or $100k or whatever of their own money that you have superior taste to them.
unrepentant said:
Sorry but that's all bks. Have you driven the new RR? It's epic, the best SUV ever. Most people buying them are trading in an L322 to do so. For some people it's their 5th, 8th, 10th Range Rover in a row. As for powerful, have you ever driven a 5.0 S/C Sport? It's powerful believe me but pales compared to the new FFRR with the same engine. 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and the new Sport will probably be quicker.
As for dubious taste, who are you to tell the lawyers and doctors and ceo's that are ponying up $70k or $100k or whatever of their own money that you have superior taste to them.
I haven't commented on the abilities of the car, only the design and image. It's clear that LR aren't designing cars with their traditional customer base in mind (they are, after all, a business and will follow the money - i.e. America, China, Russia). It's increasingly difficult to specify one that doesn't look like it belongs on Real Housewives of Wherever or in the motorcade of an Azerbaijani warlord.ks. Have you driven the new RR? It's epic, the best SUV ever. Most people buying them are trading in an L322 to do so. For some people it's their 5th, 8th, 10th Range Rover in a row. As for powerful, have you ever driven a 5.0 S/C Sport? It's powerful believe me but pales compared to the new FFRR with the same engine. 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and the new Sport will probably be quicker. As for dubious taste, who are you to tell the lawyers and doctors and ceo's that are ponying up $70k or $100k or whatever of their own money that you have superior taste to them.
As for powerful, have you ever driven a 300Tdi Classic? Or a Td6 P38? A Td6 L322? A TDV6 Sport? There are an awful lot of them over here, and they aren't powerful.
My reasonably extensive professional experience of American lawyers leaves me feeling fairly comfortable about my own taste. Maybe their doctors and CEOs are different (and remember that your high-rolling $70k is still $40k off what the cheapest L405 costs over here).
NomduJour said:
All the new customers are largely buying into an image, which is now altered to cater for their dubious tastes and is therefore at risk of not being what they wanted to buy into in the first place. The people who have always bought them will eventually get tired of driving something that looks like they've lost their chrome caravan and move on to something less flash.
I know it will be a really good car but in isolation nobody would be surprised if that was a new Kia.
(As for them all being powerful - my experiences of 300Tdi, Td6 and TDV6 Range Rovers/Sports suggests otherwise).
Oh dear. Everyone has an opinion of course, but I don't think this one has much basis in reality...I know it will be a really good car but in isolation nobody would be surprised if that was a new Kia.
(As for them all being powerful - my experiences of 300Tdi, Td6 and TDV6 Range Rovers/Sports suggests otherwise).
Lets forget the old TD RR with a V6. Frankly, even the 2.7 TDV6 RR Sport is'nt great.
And as for the " buying into an image", well i don't think that is true outside of the cities.
Range Rover owners fall into 2 camps. And, clearly, RR want to sell to both sets of customers:
One set is image conscious - they want a RR because it is a comfortable, large prestigious car. They will never take it off road, or even out of the city. They like the big rims and the image.
The other set is more practical and utilitarian. They either live in the country, or have a second home in the country, and need a large car that will handle all weathers, in comfort, that will take their luggage or the gear attached to their hobbies. These people buy RR's because they do this kind of "dual life" thing very well.
Around my area, RR's are generally muddy, well used and owned by comfortably off people who want a quiet comfortable car to get to their farmhouse, maybe tow a horse box, carry their teenagers and gear to a new term at their public school, go sailing, visit the local country store and be loaded up with chicken pellets and horse nuts etc etc etc...
It is easy to get a perspective that RR's are all about Cheshire housewives, but the traditional RR customer with money , living in the country or weekending there, still exists.
Land Rover are catering for both markets.
toppstuff said:
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I grew up around Land Rovers and Range Rovers (dozens of them), have driven most variants since and still drive them more than anything else, so I think I have a reasonably sound basis for a point of view. It is increasingly clear that LR don't really give a stuff about their traditional customer - the argument has been done to death regarding the Defender replacement - and from a purely business perspective, it's understandable. The "SUV" is currently trendy, Land Rovers and Range Rovers have (had?) a strong image, let's churn out as many white ones as we possibly can to people who can afford the lease payments.I'm not convinced by the cod social commentary either - if you can't see that everything they produce has gradually become glitzier and flashier over the last decade then I'm afraid there's not much point attempting to debate.
You might also note that until the L405, the proper Range Rover was never available with a V6.
NomduJour said:
I haven't commented on the abilities of the car, only the design and image. It's clear that LR aren't designing cars with their traditional customer base in mind (they are, after all, a business and will follow the money - i.e. America, China, Russia). It's increasingly difficult to specify one that doesn't look like it belongs on Real Housewives of Wherever or in the motorcade of an Azerbaijani warlord.
As for powerful, have you ever driven a 300Tdi Classic? Or a Td6 P38? A Td6 L322? A TDV6 Sport? There are an awful lot of them over here, and they aren't powerful.
My reasonably extensive professional experience of American lawyers leaves me feeling fairly comfortable about my own taste. Maybe their doctors and CEOs are different (and remember that your high-rolling $70k is still $40k off what the cheapest L405 costs over here).
What's a traditional customer? The same people are buying Range Rovers now that were buying them 10 years ago.As for powerful, have you ever driven a 300Tdi Classic? Or a Td6 P38? A Td6 L322? A TDV6 Sport? There are an awful lot of them over here, and they aren't powerful.
My reasonably extensive professional experience of American lawyers leaves me feeling fairly comfortable about my own taste. Maybe their doctors and CEOs are different (and remember that your high-rolling $70k is still $40k off what the cheapest L405 costs over here).
The cheapest L405 that we have specced so far has been $98k OTR, the most expensive $144k, average $118k. A dollar buys what a pound buys, the difference in price if you use the exchange rate is basically VAT (America is a self determining nation, not one under the jackboot of German dictat) and dealer margin, which is higher in the UK, presumably to allow for discounting. Average income for a RR buyer in the US is more than double that of a Porsche Cayenne buyer and 33% higher than that of a Mercedes GL buyer. Basically if you're wealthy and successful and you want an SUV you buy a Range Rover. That's a demographic that I'll settle for and that's a "traditional" customer for a new Range Rover anywhere in the world and pretty much always has been.
Can't comment on diesel engines. (See above comment re self determination and German dictat.
)VAT grew out of Purchase Tax, and isn't much different from US sales taxes.
Wealth and success aren't analogous with taste in my experience and I don't much like the styling direction Land Rover has taken, even if your wealthy and successful customers do.
When it's difficult to spec a Range Rover that wouldn't look out of place in a field or a farmyard something's not right.
Wealth and success aren't analogous with taste in my experience and I don't much like the styling direction Land Rover has taken, even if your wealthy and successful customers do.
When it's difficult to spec a Range Rover that wouldn't look out of place in a field or a farmyard something's not right.
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