RE: Range Rover Sport leaked undisguised

[jdw1234]

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

[unrepentant]

NomduJour said:

VAT grew out of Purchase Tax, and isn't much different from US sales taxes.

It's completely different. VAT is imposed on consumers in the UK at 20% (the EU imposes a minimum rate of 15% - spineless UK governments of whatever colour have no choice but to charge at least that) whereas US sales tax is decided on a state by state basis and some charge zero. Self determination you see, not some federal dictat from faceless bureaucrats in a foreign land.

[Big News]

NomduJour said:

When it's difficult to spec a Range Rover that wouldn't look out of place in a field or a farmyard something's not right.

I just did.

[unrepentant]

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

[NomduJour]

unrepentant said:

Self determination you see, not some federal dictat from faceless bureaucrats in a foreign land

Do people in Arizona see it that simply when they look at Delaware?

Big News said:

The only factory option (but not with Shadow Chrome wheels).

Edited by NomduJour on Friday 15th March 14:17

[jdw1234]

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

[unrepentant]

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

Not sure about Russia and China. US figure is about $100k higher than that. Late forties white professional with a college degree. I'm guessing UK is similar.

[NomduJour]

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

No chance. Being able to find 600 a month for the never-never on your white Sport is a very different thing from earning 250k p.a.

[jdw1234]

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

No chance. Being able to find 600 a month for the never-never on your white Sport is a very different thing to earning 250k p.a.

Are the demographics for the sport that much different?

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

[unrepentant]

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

No chance. Being able to find 600 a month for the never-never on your white Sport is a very different thing from earning 250k p.a.

I can't speak for the UK but the person you describe wouldn't get financed on a Sport in the US. Leasing gives the lowest monthly payment but requires a higher credit score. You need a solid income and a good credit score to get a lease on a Sport which will typically run at about $900 per month. I've seen people turned down with pretty decent incomes. A lot of RR customers are cheque strokers and a typical customer for either Sport of FF is a middle aged professional with a very good income.

[NomduJour]

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

[jdw1234]

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

[toppstuff]

NomduJour said:

toppstuff said:

stuff

Other stuff.

If you really spend your time around RR's then you'll be familiar with the people who tend to buy new ones.

I can count 4 owners of late model TDV8's among my friends and neighbours. By and large, the way I describe these people and the lives they lead, and the purposes they put the car to, are spot on.

Of course, it is perfectly possible to get a rather flashy, chintzy and too blingy RR. I don't like them either. And the popularity of ivory / white leather inside the TDV8 in particular offends and baffles me. But if RR can sell them to people wanting to buy them, then fair enough. I'm glad LR can take their money.

As far as the new RR and RRS is concerned, it is perfectly possible to spec a not-too-glitsy spec if you want. Avoid the cream/ white leather, the stupid wheels and a white paint job.

Grey or green with sensible wheels and tyres and a black interior is likely to be a perfectly sensible choice.

There is ONE aspect of the new RR that really bothers me however - I dislike the fake air vents on the side. They've put them on the doors for gods sake. They are clearly fake. Its very naff.

I am pleased to see the RRS does not appear to have fake air vents on the side. This is a good thing.

[Baryonyx]

I am not surprised RR wanted to keep the car under wraps for as long as possible, given how ugly it is!

[unrepentant]

jdw1234 said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

The EU figure looks high, what's the source? The US figure is correct, median income of new Range Rover buyers is over $500k per annum. (2012 figure before L405)

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 15th March 15:10

[jdw1234]

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

The EU figure looks high, what's the source? The US figure is correct, median income of new Range Rover buyers is over $500k per annum. (2012 figure before L405)

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 15th March 15:10

Click on the link. It appears to be a quote from Andy Goy, Range Rover brand manager.

[mercfunder]

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

The EU figure looks high, what's the source? The US figure is correct, median income of new Range Rover buyers is over $500k per annum. (2012 figure before L405)

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 15th March 15:10

Not according to this....

http://prezi.com/eyywee-pibcp/land-rover-north-ame...

median income figure is much lower.

[jdw1234]

From that presentation:

$256,000 Range Rover
$142,000 Disco
$113,000 Defender

It looks old though.

As it refers to range rovers being 4.0L, 4.6l, I6. must be pre 2002?

I didnt think the I6 TD was offered in USA.

However, i does have a pic of an Evoque and a L405 and is dated March 2013.

[unrepentant]

mercfunder said:

Not according to this....

http://prezi.com/eyywee-pibcp/land-rover-north-ame...

median income figure is much lower.

That report refers to something called the Discovery 4.0, a vehicle not sold here since 2002 and the Defender, a vehicle not sold here since 1997. It also refers to the Rover Group. I would suggest that it's a very old and outdated article..........

The figures I quoted are from research in 2012.

[supercampeao]

Arif110 said:

I just now mourn the loss of the last proper 'bloke's 4x4'.

First they namby-pamby the Defender's drivetrain with a blu-tak-based Ford Puma engine and gearbox - and now this.

I thought the RR sport and RR full stop were proper bloke's cars - as certainly were the older Discoverys - you know, the sort of thing you have as the owner of a paintballing operation.

But the whole Evoque and X6 design phenomenon is a bit like with modern Black & Decker drills - as though designed by 6-year olds.

The magic of the Defender was precisely that it wasn't 'trying' at all.

I understand - they will as you say sell like anything - but I mourn the end of a motoring era. Landrover were the last holders of that bloke's car torch.

Agreed!!