RE: Range Rover Sport leaked undisguised

[GT03ROB]

NomduJour said:

I haven't commented on the abilities of the car, only the design and image. It's clear that LR aren't designing cars with their traditional customer base in mind (they are, after all, a business and will follow the money - i.e. America, China, Russia). It's increasingly difficult to specify one that doesn't look like it belongs on Real Housewives of Wherever or in the motorcade of an Azerbaijani warlord.

..and quite righly so.

The traditional customer base doesn't supply the volume or profits the company needs. Uk industry has totally failed to comprehend this over the years. I'm pleased JLR have grasped this simple point.

[dasherdiablo1]

sjn2004 said:

unrepentant said:

dasherdiablo1 said:

Hope it looks better in the flesh as it looks very small and like a tarted up freelander. I'm sure it will sell like the époque has however I can't see any true RR enthusiast wanting one.


Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.

What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.

I see you have an X3 and a Boxster. Why do you always choose the wannabe and not the real thing?

I think what he means is that it looks pretty girlish whereas the current RRS has a much more aggressive appearance.

Exactly my point- it looks too soft. At least the on RRS looked aggressive and capable and also chuck alias of stuff in it. A full on enthusiast would want the FFRR obviously but at the same time some people who like the FFRR find the running costs a little unpalatable these days and the RRS should plug the gap but offering a decent amount of space in a road commanding vehicle but with some decent efficient engines- hopefully the engines will do this.

As for being ludicrous I personally think you are a bit of an ar5e - it was purely my opinion and the fact you don't agree doesn't null and void my view.

[dasherdiablo1]

unrepentant said:

dasherdiablo1 said:

Hope it looks better in the flesh as it looks very small and like a tarted up freelander. I'm sure it will sell like the époque has however I can't see any true RR enthusiast wanting one.


Faux pas Land Rover Faux Pas.

What an utterly ludicrous post. What do you think the definition of a "true Range Rover enthusiast" is then? This car will be luxurious, powerful and desirable (just like every Range Rover for the past 30 years) and as capable off road as any Range Rover that preceded it. It's a true Range Rover and Range Rover enthusiasts (FYI that's people who actually buy them) will be queuing round the block to get their hands on them just as they are now for the utterly brilliant new FFRR.

I see you have an X3 and a Boxster. Why do you always choose the wannabe and not the real thing?

Does criticising my choice in cars make you feel like a real man. U fudging idiot. My cars suit my needs; I've had a 911, I've had a Ferrari 430 spider and 355 (albeit on business contracts) and 348. I drive what suits my needs at the time. Boxster has in fact now gone as I need to ferry my little one around hence the Audi.

Oh and by the way the X3 is a cracking car and with the right tyres will go anywhere- I have had it across the farm in very muddy conditions and not got stuck; also it doesn't go wrong (ok the turbo blew once) which important when it is used traipsing the countryside - the same cannot be said for a landrover - I know plenty of people who have FFRR and RRS and they are forever in the workshop because of the poor build quality.

Sort yourself out and grow up.

Edited by dasherdiablo1 on Friday 15th March 18:51

Edited by dasherdiablo1 on Friday 15th March 20:05

[TTmonkey]

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

The EU figure looks high, what's the source? The US figure is correct, median income of new Range Rover buyers is over $500k per annum. (2012 figure before L405)

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 15th March 15:10

Click on the link. It appears to be a quote from Andy Goy, Range Rover brand manager.

Can't believe those figures. Income? What, annually? No. Net worth maybe, not income.

[unrepentant]

GT03ROB said:

NomduJour said:

I haven't commented on the abilities of the car, only the design and image. It's clear that LR aren't designing cars with their traditional customer base in mind (they are, after all, a business and will follow the money - i.e. America, China, Russia). It's increasingly difficult to specify one that doesn't look like it belongs on Real Housewives of Wherever or in the motorcade of an Azerbaijani warlord.

..and quite righly so.

The traditional customer base doesn't supply the volume or profits the company needs. Uk industry has totally failed to comprehend this over the years. I'm pleased JLR have grasped this simple point.

Exactly.

JLR is a huge success and something that all Brits can be proud of. They produce a range of fantastic products that are selling globally in unprecedented numbers. When you look at the progress that they have made with the LR brand since TATA took over it is clear that they really understand the market that they operate in.

I'd love to know what people think the "traditional" Range Rover customer is......

[unrepentant]

TTmonkey said:

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

2009 for the full fat...

"In the United States, the average household income of a Range Rover owner is $US500,000, while in Europe it is 1.3 million to 1.7 million Euros."

Source: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/were-not...

There's absolutely no way the average Range Rover owner is pulling back over a million a year, that's something like 0.01% of the population in the UK.

Thats for buying brand new Full Fat for the whole of Europe.

Evoque and Sport will drag it down I guess.

Does seem high mind. Maybe that is liquid assets or something rather than annual income.

The EU figure looks high, what's the source? The US figure is correct, median income of new Range Rover buyers is over $500k per annum. (2012 figure before L405)

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 15th March 15:10

Click on the link. It appears to be a quote from Andy Goy, Range Rover brand manager.

Can't believe those figures. Income? What, annually? No. Net worth maybe, not income.

The US figure is correct ($510k is the current figure). That article is Australian? I think the journo must have made an error converting pounds to euros......

[jdw1234]

I reckon they got the fx rate mixed up between aus dollars and USA when converting to euro. Either that or it is net worth notincome.

[jdw1234]

unrepentant said:

GT03ROB said:

NomduJour said:

I haven't commented on the abilities of the car, only the design and image. It's clear that LR aren't designing cars with their traditional customer base in mind (they are, after all, a business and will follow the money - i.e. America, China, Russia). It's increasingly difficult to specify one that doesn't look like it belongs on Real Housewives of Wherever or in the motorcade of an Azerbaijani warlord.

..and quite righly so.

The traditional customer base doesn't supply the volume or profits the company needs. Uk industry has totally failed to comprehend this over the years. I'm pleased JLR have grasped this simple point.

Exactly.

JLR is a huge success and something that all Brits can be proud of. They produce a range of fantastic products that are selling globally in unprecedented numbers. When you look at the progress that they have made with the LR brand since TATA took over it is clear that they really understand the market that they operate in.

I'd love to know what people think the "traditional" Range Rover customer is......

I reckon estate/landowner, farm owner, upper middle class (doctor,lawyer, officer class, banker) rather than high net worth individual. Mind you is that nonsense? In real terms are they really more expensive now? Not sure. I really want one though!

[sjn2004]

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

Joking are we not? Just marketing blurb. Around Manchester you can see lots of RR's on the drives of houses that aren't even worth half that figure. Every luxury brand comes out with such stuff, makes the buyers feel they are part of an exclusive club. Maserati used to quote 700,000USD per annum average income but how does a car dealership know what a buyer earns?

[sjn2004]

unrepentant said:

NomduJour said:

jdw1234 said:

unrepentant said:

jdw1234 said:

From 2008 cars.com - "The typical [RanegRover] buyer is a professional or executive male, college graduate, with an annual income of about $375,000".

It's quite a bit higher than that now.

I expect its not far off for UK/USA.

Maybe now skewed by Russian/Asian ultra high net worths.

Do you agree?

No chance. Being able to find 600 a month for the never-never on your white Sport is a very different thing from earning 250k p.a.

I can't speak for the UK but the person you describe wouldn't get financed on a Sport in the US. Leasing gives the lowest monthly payment but requires a higher credit score. You need a solid income and a good credit score to get a lease on a Sport which will typically run at about $900 per month. I've seen people turned down with pretty decent incomes. A lot of RR customers are cheque strokers and a typical customer for either Sport of FF is a middle aged professional with a very good income.

You mean in the land of sub prime people find it hard to borrow money to finance a car LOL. This thread just gets dafter by the minute!

Edited by sjn2004 on Friday 15th March 23:41

[unrepentant]

sjn2004 said:

You mean in the land of sub prime people find it hard to borrow money to finance a car LOL. This thread just gets dafter by the minute!

Are you a personal finance expert?

If you are you will know that finance requirements in the US were tightened almost overnight after the crash of 08. They have been relaxed a little now but lenders lend based on credit scores and payment history. As with most things it means that the working poor suffer most. Around half of the population have credit scores under 700 and would not usually qualify for a loan on a new prestige vehicle without a sizeable down payment (depending on the lender). Even with a 700 plus score income will need to be at a reasonably high level to finance say a $70k car. I can finance a millionaire at 0.9% but poor people with credit issues (which is many people post 08) often end up being pushed into the arms of "buy here pay here" operations that have proliferated everywhere.

Many mortgage lenders charge a premium to buyers with credit scores below 740 and that's 75% of the population.

[robm3]

vintageracer01 said:

Garlick said:

Denver09 said:

I think it looks great. Surely they would have made him sign an NDA of some sort. "leaked' is PR speak for lets test the publics reaction

It's very, very unofficial.

Then, there will some poeple losing their jobs... Ooooops!

No there won't, it's olgivy at their best. My wife used to work for Cogent Elliot and she was the account director for Land Rover for three years, she organized the launch for Freelander 2 and Discovery 3 including exterior shoots (in Spain) interior shots, brochures (shes in the disco 3 brochure) etc.. I can tell you for a fact the security around the protypes was extreme. Never in a million years would a full mock up be 'left' unattended in a 3rd party location.

Sorry guys but you've been completely had.....

[poah]

that is horrid but then with 80% of JLR sales oversees I'm not shocked the way the design has gone for LR. Looks have been going downhill since the disco3. Still I'm sure footballers will love it lol

[BigBazza]

seefarr said:

You'll be seeing lots more of this car in your rear view mirror, lights ablaze, 4 inches from your back bumper.

Hurry up or move over.