SLEEPERS! Anyone have a street sleeper here?
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Well my understanding of a sleeper was a car that looked relatively unassuming but had the ability to surprise people.
I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
Alex_225 said:
Well my understanding of a sleeper was a car that looked relatively unassuming but had the ability to surprise people.
I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
read the thread maybe ?I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
LOL @ the Merc, that is not going to suprise anyone. A 90's hot hatch would walk away from it, who do you think will be surprised?
A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
Alex_225 said:
Well my understanding of a sleeper was a car that looked relatively unassuming but had the ability to surprise people.
I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
that's because the E-class which is pretty much in the 'executive class' segment isnt unassuming when they look the same regardless of if they have some 1.8 litre diesel turbo or a 3litre+ petrol. This rules out many premium cars of today.I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
Apologies that it doesn't have 600bhp and will out drag a 911! Lighten up people.
WestyCarl said:
Alex_225 said:
I'd personally consider something that looked like a taxi, still does 50mpg but can pull away from your average car to be a bit of a sleeper.
But my bottom of the range diesel 5 series estate can keep up with that 
the hyundai actually faster than it to 60
zedx19 said:
LOL @ the Merc, that is not going to suprise anyone. A 90's hot hatch would walk away from it, who do you think will be surprised?
A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
Well bearing in mind I own another much higher powered car and a couple of hot hatches, I've always been pleasantly surprised by it's pace! A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
I'm not saying it's the worlds fastest car but 370lbs of torque means it pulls extremely well. If re-mapped and running with 400lbs+ of torque, only 70lbs shy of my CLS63, I'd consider that fairly substantial.
Alex_225 said:
Well bearing in mind I own another much higher powered car and a couple of hot hatches, I've always been pleasantly surprised by it's pace!
I'm not saying it's the worlds fastest car but 370lbs of torque means it pulls extremely well. If re-mapped and running with 400lbs+ of torque, only 70lbs shy of my CLS63, I'd consider that fairly substantial.
But it's still slower then a Clio 172 from the start of the century, it is not in anyway a sleeper. A modern 320d BMW would be quicker.I'm not saying it's the worlds fastest car but 370lbs of torque means it pulls extremely well. If re-mapped and running with 400lbs+ of torque, only 70lbs shy of my CLS63, I'd consider that fairly substantial.
Alex_225 said:
zedx19 said:
LOL @ the Merc, that is not going to suprise anyone. A 90's hot hatch would walk away from it, who do you think will be surprised?
A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
Well bearing in mind I own another much higher powered car and a couple of hot hatches, I've always been pleasantly surprised by it's pace! A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
I'm not saying it's the worlds fastest car but 370lbs of torque means it pulls extremely well. If re-mapped and running with 400lbs+ of torque, only 70lbs shy of my CLS63, I'd consider that fairly substantial.
zedx19 said:
But it's still slower then a Clio 172 from the start of the century, it is not in anyway a sleeper. A modern 320d BMW would be quicker.
I've owned two Clio 172s and I would confidently say that this would pull away in the mid-range unless the 172 was right up at 5k-rpm. Also being an auto, there's very little finesse to getting it off the line and getting between 1st/2nd gear. Honestly I've driven some quick cars and this E has surprised me. It's not as if this is the quickest car I own yet I think re-mapped this would be a pleasant surprise.
I'm not claiming it's the fastest thing either.
Alex_225 said:
zedx19 said:
LOL @ the Merc, that is not going to suprise anyone. A 90's hot hatch would walk away from it, who do you think will be surprised?
A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
Well bearing in mind I own another much higher powered car and a couple of hot hatches, I've always been pleasantly surprised by it's pace! A sleeper is something thats a shed with enough power to worry a supercar, or at least worry an M3 or similar. The Micra is the perfect example, it'd surprise anyone.
I'm not saying it's the worlds fastest car but 370lbs of torque means it pulls extremely well. If re-mapped and running with 400lbs+ of torque, only 70lbs shy of my CLS63, I'd consider that fairly substantial.
it just needs more power then one would assume it to have. the above fiesta is a perfect example of a sleeper as one would assume it has the 1.1/1.3 petrol inside it, a normal, unmodified car.
Alex_225 said:
I've owned two Clio 172s and I would confidently say that this would pull away in the mid-range unless the 172 was right up at 5k-rpm. Also being an auto, there's very little finesse to getting it off the line and getting between 1st/2nd gear.
Honestly I've driven some quick cars and this E has surprised me. It's not as if this is the quickest car I own yet I think re-mapped this would be a pleasant surprise.
I'm not claiming it's the fastest thing either.
Honestly I've driven some quick cars and this E has surprised me. It's not as if this is the quickest car I own yet I think re-mapped this would be a pleasant surprise.
I'm not claiming it's the fastest thing either.
WinstonWolf said:
My A8 has 440lb of torque, it still only does the 0-60 in 5.something...
Only??? Perhaps my views of what's quick is a little off but I'd consider a car able to hit 60 in sub 6 seconds to be fairly quick and sub 8 seconds fairly nippy.
Is there a definitive 0-60 time for a sleeper? haha
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and so on and so on...
So you agree that a Clio 172 on cam vs a diesel E class would be quicker? So not a sleeper then lol
Moving onto the real world, mate of mine had a mk1 Clio with an Audi TT engine in it, running over 300bhp, it was rapid. Another mate has a mk2 Golf GTi with a similar setup. Another mate had a Renault Extra van with a R5 GTT engine in it. Another mate had a Megane Scenic with a 172 engine. IMO, these are all sleepers. Lot of my mates are into cars and had various "sleepers".
Moving onto the real world, mate of mine had a mk1 Clio with an Audi TT engine in it, running over 300bhp, it was rapid. Another mate has a mk2 Golf GTi with a similar setup. Another mate had a Renault Extra van with a R5 GTT engine in it. Another mate had a Megane Scenic with a 172 engine. IMO, these are all sleepers. Lot of my mates are into cars and had various "sleepers".
fastbikes76 said:
I'm going to throw my one out there at the risk of getting sleeper definition wrong but here goes...
Started Life as a boggo standard non turbo Mitsubishi GTO making a grand total of 170hp, with only a nice set of wheels to compliment the car. I slapped a set of WRX 13T turbo's to the standard NA engine and run it permanently on 20% in tank methanol.
Runs 11.84 @119mph 1/4 and 3.6 second 0-60 with all the creature comforts it left the factory with like granddad leather seats and AC etc.
yes, average joe and granddad prolly expect it to be 'fast' but most car people/enthusiast still relate it to a slow ass massively over weight GTO, which with 500hp and 560ftlbs its not
Yeah looking at that I wouldn't know it was fast being a japanese 2 door coupe with a set of rota wheels and a spoiler.Started Life as a boggo standard non turbo Mitsubishi GTO making a grand total of 170hp, with only a nice set of wheels to compliment the car. I slapped a set of WRX 13T turbo's to the standard NA engine and run it permanently on 20% in tank methanol.
Runs 11.84 @119mph 1/4 and 3.6 second 0-60 with all the creature comforts it left the factory with like granddad leather seats and AC etc.
yes, average joe and granddad prolly expect it to be 'fast' but most car people/enthusiast still relate it to a slow ass massively over weight GTO, which with 500hp and 560ftlbs its not
punches self in face.
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