RE: Budget 2013: A PHer's Guide

[stormy22]

paulwebberuk said:

I don't know what everyone's complaining about. All you have to do is go into your local ,have 500 pints of best (whoa....not all in ONE GO lads !) and ...Bobs your uncle.... you've saved enough for the extra charge on your next "road" fund tax bill !

SIMPLE !....

I'm confused, how does spending loads of money on 500 pints of brew save you money...?

[V8 TEJ]

300bhp/ton said:

No need as I'm sure they know exactly how many 40+ year old cars are taxed & MoT'd already. But it's evident that such cars are a vast minority.

I know what you mean. The thing is most people don't use their classics for commuting.

I drive a 26 year old car as my daily and don't see any similarly aged vehicles on my daily 60 mile trip.

[williredale]

stormy22 said:

paulwebberuk said:

I don't know what everyone's complaining about. All you have to do is go into your local ,have 500 pints of best (whoa....not all in ONE GO lads !) and ...Bobs your uncle.... you've saved enough for the extra charge on your next "road" fund tax bill !

SIMPLE !....

I'm confused, how does spending loads of money on 500 pints of brew save you money...?

That sounds a bit too much like 'woman maths'.

i.e. You buy something because it's a bargain, not because it's something you actually need...

Although we are talking beer and I need beer...

[paulwebberuk]

'give you a clue.....think sarcasm...

[mollytherocker]

73 cars get tax exemption? Awesome.

Suddenly, a 911 2.7RS is now an economic proposition as a daily.

[stormy22]

mollytherocker said:

73 cars get tax exemption? Awesome.

Suddenly, a 911 2.7RS is now an economic proposition as a daily.

Really? £220 per year makes the difference between driving a 911 everyday and not driving a 911 everyday?

[mollytherocker]

stormy22 said:

mollytherocker said:

73 cars get tax exemption? Awesome.

Suddenly, a 911 2.7RS is now an economic proposition as a daily.

Really? £220 per year makes the difference between driving a 911 everyday and not driving a 911 everyday?

You really took me seriously on a car worth circa 200k? Wow.

[moreflaps]

Meths said:

That's quite good.

Am I right in saying that, because of the fuel duty freeze, the amount of tax we pay on fuel is getting lower because of inflation?

Edited by Meths on Wednesday 20th March 16:01

No. You forget VAT is a tax. The duty component may decrease but VAT goes up with inflation (effectively).

Cheers

[moreflaps]

Terminator X said:

bakerstreet said:

One year on the VED exemption? I actually think that is a bit pathetic. I thought the system was originally introduced when vehicles were 25 years old and that was obviously years ago.

I suppose we should be grateful considering what they have done with the fuel duty. However, I suspect its still going to go up anyway and £1.50+ will be the norm in 12 months time.

I know we all bh about the cost of fuel certainly us older ones that remember 80p a litre or whatever however I suspect that even at £1.50 a litre it's ok vs years ago due to the effect of inflation over many many years? No doubt some clever PH'er can work out what impact inflation has had over, say, 40 years.

TX.

Petrol is more expensive now in real terms than at any other time -apart from during WW1 when it peaked at ~2 pounds/liter (in todays money).

Cheers

[SMGB]

mollytherocker said:

stormy22 said:

mollytherocker said:

73 cars get tax exemption? Awesome.

Suddenly, a 911 2.7RS is now an economic proposition as a daily.

Really? £220 per year makes the difference between driving a 911 everyday and not driving a 911 everyday?

You really took me seriously on a car worth circa 200k? Wow.

Yeah, but regardless it seems to me that you have made a watertight case for buying one.

[Meths]

moreflaps said:

Petrol is more expensive now in real terms than at any other time -apart from during WW1 when it peaked at ~2 pounds/liter (in todays money).

Cheers

I can twist this:


Minimum wage in 1999: 3.60
minimum wage in 2012: 6.20


Fuel in 2000: 76.9p
fuel in 2012: 137.9

So, working for an hour in McDonalds and using your money for petrol:

2000: 4.7 litres.
2012: 4.6 Litres.


Okay, I twisted it a bit by taking the price from when it spiked in 2000 and by using minimum wage only, not average wage. But in the period of 2000 to 2005 we got used to very stable fuel prices.

It's late and i cba checking the maths. I think I'm right.

[collateral]

Meths said:

moreflaps said:

Petrol is more expensive now in real terms than at any other time -apart from during WW1 when it peaked at ~2 pounds/liter (in todays money).

Cheers

I can twist this:


Minimum wage in 1999: 3.60
minimum wage in 2012: 6.20


Fuel in 2000: 76.9p
fuel in 2012: 137.9

So, working for an hour in McDonalds and using your money for petrol:

2000: 4.7 litres.
2012: 4.6 Litres.


Okay, I twisted it a bit by taking the price from when it spiked in 2000 and by using minimum wage only, not average wage. But in the period of 2000 to 2005 we got used to very stable fuel prices.

It's late and i cba checking the maths. I think I'm right.

That might mean we need a higher minimum wage right now

[mollytherocker]

collateral said:

That might mean we need a higher minimum wage right now

A higher min wage based on fuel prices would be very dangerous!

[RemarkLima]

Alex106 said:

tommyjj said:

Randomly (or not hmmm) I received a letter from some debt collection agency affiliated with the DVLA this morning saying I'd not renewed the SORN on a motorbike I had a few years back. They are after £80.

I wonder where that fine stands now given that it's for an offense that now doesn't exist.

Probably still want you to pay it. I had one in December. I protested on the phone, but I got the impression the chap had heard it all before. I paid it. I was sad afterwards.

Now, off to the classifieds..where is that MBG I saw the other day..

With these chaps you really should ask them send you the evidence of this "offence". If they can't, and just keep sending threatening letters, just ask them to take the matter to court where they will be asked provide the evidence that has so far been lacking. The one time I've had this after that letter "the matter was referred back to the originator of the debt".

[tworyeay]

Free road tax was originally a rolling 25 years until 1997 ( hence 1972, thanks Mr Brown ). I think in order to get votes this mob said they would resurect the 25 year rule, but yet another pledge forgotton about once they arrived in Downing Street, so an extra year is pathetic.Sign the petition on the to bring back the origianal ruling. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37880

[MX7]

tworyeay said:

Free road tax was originally a rolling 25 years until 1997 ( hence 1972, thanks Mr Brown ). I think in order to get votes this mob said they would resurect the 25 year rule, but yet another pledge forgotton about once they arrived in Downing Street, so an extra year is pathetic.Sign the petition on the to bring back the origianal ruling. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37880

No they didn't. They said that they would like to, but would have to see how things went.


" Unfortunately Labour's debt crisis means we are not in a position to make any promises regarding restoring the rolling VED date. However I will ask my team to look at this problem and see what affordable and practical measures could help."

It was never a pledge.