RE: Jaguar XJR revealed
Discussion
Grovsie26 said:
Evo i think it is always say it's starting to age a bit.
IMO (and mine only 
), when it's wafting me home in the dark and rain, in a sea of cow, tree and phosphorus blue lighting, with a warm arse and Adele crooning through the stereo, not to mention the spaceship gear selector, it's not aged at all. It's perfect.
matrignano said:
Really? Do they sell that well? Hardly see any in the UK, and I should imagine that is Jaguar's main market.
You're in the wrong part of the UK then, there are plenty around here. Not seen that many XF Sportbrakes yet but starting to get more frequent.I've just been up the M40 today and lost count of the number of transporters coming the other way with JLR product on board, more than one full of the new shape RR. Whatever anyone thinks of the shape of their new products, they seem to have hit the spot with the actual buying public.
urquattroGus said:
How much will this cost? £100k?
Shame that they have gone from Circa £50k in the mid to late ninties to this.
Granted the XJ was more of a 5 series rival back then?
Looks good. Loved both the 6 cylinder and V8 X308 cars. Odd maybe, as I'm 27. Grandfather had a V8 and dad test drove a six, still remeber the supercharger whine!
The XJ was traditionally a Seven series competitor in both size and price. The company had a problem in that it lacked a smaller model, which is why they made the small engined low spec cars such as the XJ6 2.9. These tended to be very compromised cars, though the later 3.2 had respectable performance.Shame that they have gone from Circa £50k in the mid to late ninties to this.
Granted the XJ was more of a 5 series rival back then?
Looks good. Loved both the 6 cylinder and V8 X308 cars. Odd maybe, as I'm 27. Grandfather had a V8 and dad test drove a six, still remeber the supercharger whine!
From 1992 what Car? for example:
518i £17,165; 525i £23,650; 535i £28,550 and the M5 was £45,750, but that is a special model.
The 730i was £28,950; the 735i was £35,750. The 750iL was an incredible £61,950.
The Equivalent Jaguar XJ at that time was the XJ40. The entry model XJ6 3.2 was £26,850, but by far the most popular model was the 4.0 Sovereign at £37,200. The Daimler was £42,800.
The X300 and X308 were based on the XJ40 and by the mid/late 1990s the design was very old. Effectively, the x300 was nearly ten years old when it was introduced. The BMW 7 series and S Class Mercedes were new cars, so by the mid 1990s the XJ had to compete on price. I guess this could have brought them into competition with the 5 Series, together with the BMW's broad model spread.
For me, though I love the old XJ and have one, Jaguar's 'reinvention' was essential and without it I doubt they would have survived as a manufacturer. They need a modern looking product which reflects the market. Making a model which differs too much from the competition is a lonely business, and the old school Jaguar cigar shape is now very old fashioned. Besides, a modern Jaguar is not a novel thing. They may look old now, but the Series Jaguars were thoroughly modern things when they were launched in 1968, as was the XJ40 in the 1980s. It is the Eighties 'squareness' of the XJ40 which many traditional Jaguar enthusiasts seem to dislike.
I like the current XJ. The Seven Series is a good car but without any character I can determine, whilst the S Class sadly lacks any of the gravitas of previous series. I wouldn't pay one a second glance.
dbdb said:
I like the current XJ. The Seven Series is a good car but without any character I can determine, whilst the S Class sadly lacks any of the gravitas of previous series. I wouldn't pay one a second glance.
Indeed. Put the XJ against the equivalent BMW, Merc, Audi, or Lexus, and IMO it's the only one that has swagger, even in "poverty" spec. All the others look like posh minicabs.God I miss England's cheap second hand cars. Just had a quick look through the classifieds over here and found this http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/jaguar-...
Basically a similar model, year, mileage and spec but the price equates to around 33,000 UK pounds and that excludes additional registration costs etc.
Basically a similar model, year, mileage and spec but the price equates to around 33,000 UK pounds and that excludes additional registration costs etc.
jamespink said:
My guess would be that China and the US are the main markets with recession deep UK far behind. Cracking car either way!
Speculation and self-deprecation is always more fun than reality! Although at least your judgment of the car seems to be sound
Edited by JREwing on Thursday 21st March 03:46
Jimbo. said:
IMO (and mine only ), when it's wafting me home in the dark and rain, in a sea of cow, tree and phosphorus blue lighting, with a warm arse and Adele crooning through the stereo, not to mention the spaceship gear selector, it's not aged at all. It's perfect.
Agreed. I am currently driving the V6 AWD version. Drove home through freezing rain and ice the other night at 80mph all the way, it's like a luxury freight train!), when it's wafting me home in the dark and rain, in a sea of cow, tree and phosphorus blue lighting, with a warm arse and Adele crooning through the stereo, not to mention the spaceship gear selector, it's not aged at all. It's perfect.My take on Jaguar's sales figures is that generally people are afraid of going too far out of the ordinary. Jaguar was always a prestige brand which the common man found too exotic - "they're not for the likes of us".
Nowadays, they just look like Vauxhall came out with a new model, so people feel more safe to buy them.
Nowadays, they just look like Vauxhall came out with a new model, so people feel more safe to buy them.
SirTK said:
Nowadays, they just look like Vauxhall came out with a new model, so people feel more safe to buy them.
what?? so cost has nothing to do with it, people who thought they were buying a £15k vectra actually bought a £60k XJ????From their own press release for 2012:
■Jaguar Land Rover delivers record breaking global sales performance selling 357,773 vehicles, up 30% across 177 markets worldwide
■800 new jobs announced to support future model programmes
■China becomes Jaguar Land Rover's largest market up more than 70%
■Land Rover sells more cars in 2012 than ever before - up 36%
■Jaguar sales up 6%
■Land Rover in the UK delivered a record performance, up 24%
■Range Rover Evoque tops 100,000 sales
■New Jaguar XF powertrain additions boost sales up 13%
China is now Jaguar Land Rover's largest market delivering its best ever sales performance in 2012 (71,940, up 71%). It is followed by the UK (68,333 up 19%), USA (55,675, up 11%), Russia (20,549, up 43%) and Germany (16,722 up 41%).
■One of the UK's largest exporters by value (£8.2bn in 2011) and generates in the region of 85% of its revenue from exports.
■12 months to 31 March 2012, Jaguar Land Rover generated profit before tax of £1.5bn with revenues of £13.5bn
williamp said:
what?? so cost has nothing to do with it, people who thought they were buying a £15k vectra actually bought a £60k XJ?
Whoa there, chill a little.What most people will clearly understand from my post is that back in the day many people would feel much more comfortable buying a specced up Senator than the equivalent priced XJ for fear of seeming to step outside of their perceived level of ambition.
Which is why the biggest selling cars are usually extremely ordinary. Now that Jaguars seem ordinary, people feel safe to buy them, hence big sales.
Only my point of view - if you don't like it feel free to ignore it.
GTRStage1 said:
I am referring to the acceleration...0-60 time - 5 seconds...it did that 10 years ago.
When you consider an E63 does it in 3.6 seconds and an M5 in a little over 4...it seems to be playing catchup.
That's a bit misleading though isn't it? That figure is for the LHD only 4 Matic 4WD and it's technically more of an XFR rival. Available in the UK if you ask apparntly, but still only in LHD.When you consider an E63 does it in 3.6 seconds and an M5 in a little over 4...it seems to be playing catchup.
GTEYE said:
soad said:
heavyearly76 said:
I wish the looks would grow on me, nothing so far...
Exactly how I feel, and I see these daily.Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 20th March 17:20
Classier end of town really.
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