RE: Megane 265 Cup and Subaru BRZ: Fast vs Fun
Discussion
roystinho said:
Lost? They said the Clio was quicker everywhere.
You mean where someone's opinion said the Toyota was more fun. Everyone can have an opinion, but this one can't be qualified as right or wrong
Back on topic, Megane everyday to me. I've driven a GT86 and though found it fun, prefer the megane. The Renault is possibly a rarer sight to the toyobaru too, certainly where I live
For preference, I can change 'lost' to 'came second' if you prefer.You mean where someone's opinion said the Toyota was more fun. Everyone can have an opinion, but this one can't be qualified as right or wrong
Back on topic, Megane everyday to me. I've driven a GT86 and though found it fun, prefer the megane. The Renault is possibly a rarer sight to the toyobaru too, certainly where I live
Picked up my GT86 on Wednesday after having a great few years in a Clio 200 Cup. The GT86 is more fun by far. It reminds me a lot of my old DC2.
I'm yet to drive a Megane 250/265 but outright pace doesn't interest me. The 86 is more than fast enough for the majority of my driving but it's fun 100% of the time!
I'm yet to drive a Megane 250/265 but outright pace doesn't interest me. The 86 is more than fast enough for the majority of my driving but it's fun 100% of the time!
Dblue said:
it outgrips everything in its class
Which is kind of why I don't want one. 
I think there is a time when you want your cars to be as fast and as grippy and as competent as it is possible for the money you have to spend.
For me , at least, I then grew out of that phase. And I don't care about absolute performance anymore. The roads are too busy anyway.
Thats when you want access to fun even when going slowly. I now find that I am more interested in classic cars than new ones, more interested a RWD Toyobaru which may slide about like an old Elise on my favourite roundabout.
I don't doubt the Megane would disappear down the road and carry a lot more speed. Technically, it would be doing a better job. But it would'nt matter to me.
It is great that we have choices now. This is a good time for people who love driving in terms of the different choices available. Everyone should be happy.
I can never understand anyone saying I would NEVER have a Renault. Versus most of it's competition the RS265 is like a laser through corners and Renault have done a much better job getting the power down through the front wheels than say the old model Focus RS. That has 40bhp more, but a dog through corners in comparison. Bizarrely look at the values of those still.
Regardless of the comparison between these two cars, the Toyota / Subaru appeals because I had things like Nissan Silvia Turbo in late 80's and this is a modern equivalent. It doesn't have to be the fastest. Although back in the day, cars like that or a Corolla GTi RWD did feel quick versus the norm.
For a car to lose because it's not as much fun? Well, a Mk1 Ford Fiesta 950 Pop is fun if you drive the wheels off it.
Regardless of the comparison between these two cars, the Toyota / Subaru appeals because I had things like Nissan Silvia Turbo in late 80's and this is a modern equivalent. It doesn't have to be the fastest. Although back in the day, cars like that or a Corolla GTi RWD did feel quick versus the norm.
For a car to lose because it's not as much fun? Well, a Mk1 Ford Fiesta 950 Pop is fun if you drive the wheels off it.
I'd take the BRZ/86.
Now, just one question for those who would take the fast, grippy car, rather than the slower, more slidey one.
Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault? Just give me a speed range on typical A or B roads. Or, am I being too hardcore, and these days speed doesn't matter, the package/features/boot space/etc. is what really counts.
Now, just one question for those who would take the fast, grippy car, rather than the slower, more slidey one.
Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault? Just give me a speed range on typical A or B roads. Or, am I being too hardcore, and these days speed doesn't matter, the package/features/boot space/etc. is what really counts.
Technomatt said:
roystinho said:
Lost? They said the Clio was quicker everywhere.
You mean where someone's opinion said the Toyota was more fun. Everyone can have an opinion, but this one can't be qualified as right or wrong
Back on topic, Megane everyday to me. I've driven a GT86 and though found it fun, prefer the megane. The Renault is possibly a rarer sight to the toyobaru too, certainly where I live
For preference, I can change 'lost' to 'came second' if you prefer.You mean where someone's opinion said the Toyota was more fun. Everyone can have an opinion, but this one can't be qualified as right or wrong
Back on topic, Megane everyday to me. I've driven a GT86 and though found it fun, prefer the megane. The Renault is possibly a rarer sight to the toyobaru too, certainly where I live
Always felt to me like the Toybaru should be available with a "Race pack" or similar option, that for a few thousand more bolts a turbo onto it and fits grippier tires. You want to trade at-the-limit-of-grip-and-power slidey rear end fun for better lap times, sir? No problem, just sign right here and we'll make you one like that.
Personally I think I'd rather have the base model, but it would seem like the obvious way to end the argument for those that want it to be faster. Matching the Renault's 265bhp should be pretty easy without going silly with the boost either.
Personally I think I'd rather have the base model, but it would seem like the obvious way to end the argument for those that want it to be faster. Matching the Renault's 265bhp should be pretty easy without going silly with the boost either.
I'd probably have the BRZ / GT86 in all honesty, even though I recognise what an achievement the hot Meganes are in terms of handling and overall pace.
If I had the Megane, I'd either be driving it at 5/10ths and still be going at the same pace as if I drove the BRZ at 8 or 9/10ths, but I'd be having more fun doing it in the BRZ. If I drove the Megane at 9/10ths on the road, I'd end up losing my licence, and of course, with that level of power, and an empty A-road, the temptation is too great to put ones foot down and trying to break the sound barrier
I tend to be more sensible in slightly slower cars because they've tended to have given their best up to about 80 and struggle slightly after that, where cars like the Megane will just keep piling on the speed.
I'd reckon the BRZ will have a better balanced and more communicative chassis meaning its more involving, more of the time.
I currently drive a car with similar power to the Megane, and I can't wait to get a small, light, revvy little relatively low powered car again, as for me it's much more fun than holding back all of the time.
If I had the Megane, I'd either be driving it at 5/10ths and still be going at the same pace as if I drove the BRZ at 8 or 9/10ths, but I'd be having more fun doing it in the BRZ. If I drove the Megane at 9/10ths on the road, I'd end up losing my licence, and of course, with that level of power, and an empty A-road, the temptation is too great to put ones foot down and trying to break the sound barrier
I tend to be more sensible in slightly slower cars because they've tended to have given their best up to about 80 and struggle slightly after that, where cars like the Megane will just keep piling on the speed.I'd reckon the BRZ will have a better balanced and more communicative chassis meaning its more involving, more of the time.
I currently drive a car with similar power to the Megane, and I can't wait to get a small, light, revvy little relatively low powered car again, as for me it's much more fun than holding back all of the time.
Kawasicki said:
I'd take the BRZ/86.
Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault?.
Probably too fast on modern roads unfortunately. Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault?.
I think this is the problem with hot hatches. You have to drive them hard to really appreciate the difference between the hot version and the regular shopping version. And that ain't easy these days.
The Megane is very impressive, can't believe the way it puts down it's power. You'd easily find yourself doing over 100 down a country lane. Which let's face it is not a great idea, you'll never talk your way out of that.
But if the tail slips out on a wet roundabout in a BRZ, you'll probably get away with it.
My most fun drives have tended not to be in the most powerful cars (don't get me wrong, I love those too) but in more humble motors you have to rev the b
ks off.
But if the tail slips out on a wet roundabout in a BRZ, you'll probably get away with it.
My most fun drives have tended not to be in the most powerful cars (don't get me wrong, I love those too) but in more humble motors you have to rev the b
ks off.artdealer said:
I can never understand anyone saying I would NEVER have a Renault. Versus most of it's competition the RS265 is like a laser through corners and Renault have done a much better job getting the power down through the front wheels than say the old model Focus RS
Not interested in any of the Renault's (direct) competitors either. Ten or fifteen years ago, god yes, but hot hatches just don't appeal to me any more. toppstuff said:
Probably too fast on modern roads unfortunately.
I think this is the problem with hot hatches. You have to drive them hard to really appreciate the difference between the hot version and the regular shopping version. And that ain't easy these days.
Could you not argue that driving at the limits of grip of the 86 on the public road to appreciate the RWD balance is equally foolish? I think this is the problem with hot hatches. You have to drive them hard to really appreciate the difference between the hot version and the regular shopping version. And that ain't easy these days.
Kawasicki said:
I'd take the BRZ/86.
Now, just one question for those who would take the fast, grippy car, rather than the slower, more slidey one.
Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault? Just give me a speed range on typical A or B roads. Or, am I being too hardcore, and these days speed doesn't matter, the package/features/boot space/etc. is what really counts.
Its capable of very quick speeds certainly but its not just about going at x mph in a given situation. As you can only drive within the roads limits in terms of visibility, potential hazards, and other traffic you will be going slower than its capable of for a lot of the time of course.Now, just one question for those who would take the fast, grippy car, rather than the slower, more slidey one.
Seeing as the Renault is a quick car, and seeing that the speed is a big part of its appeal, how fast do you drive when you are having fun in the Renault? Just give me a speed range on typical A or B roads. Or, am I being too hardcore, and these days speed doesn't matter, the package/features/boot space/etc. is what really counts.
But its sufficiently quick in terms of acceleration to get you past the slower traffic much more readily that the BRZ and its got laser sharp responses ALL the time not just at a 1000 leptons. It changes direction very sharply , controls its damping with an iron fist (Really similar to the GT3 in that respect) and stops hard.
But I don't think that sliding a car around is more fun necessarily than just taking apart your favourite B road in a car that actually has decent grip. And I can't agree that its more dangerous/anti-social/unwise to go faster (because you can) than spend time sideways round roundabouts or other bends. Ask the bystander if he thinks your GT86 going round that favourite roundabout with its back end trying to overtake the front is less dangerous/hooligan like than the Megane that just carved round the same roundabout at 30% higher speed a few minutes before ( It couldn't be after as the Renault doesn't go that slow
)love em both, haven't driven either!
There would a lot of appeal to getting the subaru, loving it for a few years, then adding the turbo/supercharger kit which will inevitably come, and a bit wider rubber... the car that grows with you!
Saw the Megane Sport from a bridge recently, looked proper extreme!
as for 'fun vs fast'... either's great, and neither happens often enough on the roads I drive.
Am having a similar internal debate about my next car, the problem often seems to be that mankind finds it very difficult to go backwards... there's something in our heads that wants the next one to have more power!
There would a lot of appeal to getting the subaru, loving it for a few years, then adding the turbo/supercharger kit which will inevitably come, and a bit wider rubber... the car that grows with you!
Saw the Megane Sport from a bridge recently, looked proper extreme!
as for 'fun vs fast'... either's great, and neither happens often enough on the roads I drive.
Am having a similar internal debate about my next car, the problem often seems to be that mankind finds it very difficult to go backwards... there's something in our heads that wants the next one to have more power!
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