RE: Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

RE: Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

Tuesday 26th March 2013

Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

Wanted: hard-wearing and fast estate car for filming duties; previous ragging not a problem



The deal I did with myself many years ago was that I could justify writing about shiny new manufacturer-supplied cars so long as I bought my own cars with my own money and also wrote about those. According to those rules, last week I finalised my everyday car plans for 2013. It involves two cars, because I now cover too many miles to reasonably expect a press fleet manager to foot an unrealistic depreciation bill. And I rather like owning something too.

Read our Audi S4 Avant Review

New-to-Chris S4 has... 'patina'.
New-to-Chris S4 has... 'patina'.
So, the faithful Passat which trundled around with videographer Neil Carey for all of 2012 is about to be found a new home and is being replaced by a B8 Audi S4.

Recently crocked climate control aside the Passat had but one serious deficiency – it was too slow to keep up with a jogging teenager, let alone a GT2 RS and a Ducati Panigale.   It’s actually one of the most important shooting tools. So this year we have two. This piece is about the one I’ve purchased: the S4. You’ll learn about the other (it’s awesome) next week.

Audi apologist
I am an S4 bore for the simple reason that its apparent invisibility to people who should recognise its talents irks me. Beyond being subtle, ideally sized, comfortable and fast it has one overriding advantage: it doesn’t drive like an Audi. It doesn’t crash into bumps and generally make you want to swear. People regularly accuse me of a blanket hatred of Audi products. It isn’t true – Audi can make good drivers’ cars, but it is woefully inconsistent with its faster models.

It's a former press car, so plenty of options
It's a former press car, so plenty of options
Three years ago a family member wanted a small, fast estate, and I advised them to have one of these. Three years later, it’s been pretty well (ab)used and I just couldn’t face giving it to a trader who’d bid very little for it. This is because two wet dogs have lived in it, and it its coachwork displays a rich patina of age and minor incidents. And there’s no better way of silencing the ‘you just hate Audi’ brigade than buying one, no?

Driving Audi UK’s gorgeous 2001 B5 RS4 last year nearly persuaded me to buy one, but they’re still quite expensive cars and a quick Google session revealed that these B8 S4s are now responding very well to software changes. With this car out of warranty I quite fancied some intelligently-wrought power gains because I haven’t done anything like it for over a decade.

Bit mucky under here, but mostly sound
Bit mucky under here, but mostly sound
Never raced or … oh
The car owes me £15,000, which is probably a bit generous as a trade bid because it does need a fair amount of cosmetic work. But the way it’ll be having tripods and sucker-cups sprouting from it, that doesn’t really matter to me. It has done 58,000 miles and has a full Audi service history. Take a look in the classifieds and you’ll see that early 2009 cars are looking like very good value for a 333hp four-wheel-drive estate car.

I have known this particular car for a while. When it was a press car I used it to shoot this video which, if nothing else, shows I’m not afraid to own cars I once abused in the name of entertainment. As you can imagine, when the family member in question was shown this video a few days after taking delivery, brows were furrowed. It was an approved used Audi showing 8,000 miles and it hasn’t missed a beat for the following 50,000 miles.

Dog, and lots of it, is a hallmark
Dog, and lots of it, is a hallmark
So what’s the plan?

Extract some more performance from it, make it stop a little more effectively and make sure that it remains entirely stealthy. Accordingly, I cannot tell you how irritating it is to see that the little S4 logo in the front grille is actually recessed into the plastic spars and therefore non-removable.

The car itself is a peach, albeit the slightly bruised and split peach you’d probably initially avoid. The interior has the odd squeak and the adjustable dampers are past their best, but it’s fast and a very good size for UK roads. It averages around 26mpg going pretty quick and the DSG is very smooth when under hard load, but a little lumpy rolling slowly from second to first.

More performance is first on the list...
More performance is first on the list...
Ask the experts
Last week I dropped the car up to Revo Technik in Daventry. They are expert Audi/VW software types and have seen some pretty stunning results from this 3.0-litre supercharged TFSI motor. They also helped my mate Dickie Meaden do some god-awful speed in a Skoda Octavia atBonneville, so they have to be a bit handy at this stuff. It took them a while to crack the B8 S4’s ECU, but their boffins have seen up to 75hp from software changes alone, leaving you with an utterly discreet 400hp, 4WD compact estate car for the same money as a used Golf GTI. I think it’s a compelling prospect given the car is now out of warranty.

The Revo chaps have given the car the once-over and, despite being horrified by the affects of three years’ wet Retriever on a once beautiful interior, they’ve said it’s pretty healthy. There's a slight oil leak around the gearbox which should be fixable. The motor is fine and loose, the suspension is okay, but could probably do with a re-bush and some fresh dampers. We might play with the suspension, but only if we can make the ride even more supple than the current Comfort setting because the ride has to be supple to keep tripod-mounted shots smooth. This car has the trick adjustable suspension and rear sport differential which could make the refresh expensive. I could just bolt a set of Bilsteins on, and might well do that later in the process.

...and upgraded stoppers are next
...and upgraded stoppers are next
Being an ex press car it appears to have every possible extra: radar cruise-control, B&O hi-fi, fancy leather for the seats, blind-spot warning thingies, and an electric tailgate (broken). And the braking system of a Morris Oxford. For this reason, we’re fitting some Stasis 370mm discs and six-piston calipers to the front end. Stasis and Revo are owned by the same company. There are larger 390mm discs available, but they don’t fit behind the standard 19-inch wheels and this will not be a track car.

In standard form the S4 is pretty agile, but I’ve found the rear a little too keen to roll, so we’re going to try a slightly larger diameter rear bar to see if that makes a difference.

I’m collecting it next week, and then we’ll have some fun with it. It will look less speedy than a 2.0 TDI S Line, should give a Carrera a decent fright and will average mid 20s between shoot locations. Sounds like a decent camera car to me.


FACT SHEET
Car
: Audi S4 Avant
Run by: Chris Harris
Bought: March 2013
Mileage: 58,000
Purchase price: £15,000
Last month at a glance: Family horse trading results in a new addition to the Harris stable

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Discussion

P4ROT

Original Poster:

1,219 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Nice nice nice! Will be interesting to see reliability with such performance gains from just a remap...

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

282 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Someone might need a decent set of air fresheners in there smile

RSoovy4

35,829 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Sweet. I bet it smells lovely inside on a warm day hehe

Did a B7 RS4 not appeal, Chris?


Krikkit

26,513 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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That sounds like robbery for £15k, what an enormous amount of car! I must confess I'd be sending it for a serious valet to get rid of the dog effects though.

rtz62

3,359 posts

155 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Mr Harris, we sing from the same hymn sheet.....
Im after an RS4, but your view point actually makes more sense; stealthy yet fast enough to see off most cars on the road in the real world. Well done that man!

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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On this occasion I am in total agreement with you Mr Harris.

Audi make some truly awful things IMO that are simply unworthy of the premium charged for them. But the S4 is not one of them. It is a fantastic car.

Indeed, although i am one of the most outspoken critics of the average, FWD Audi ( my regular A4 Tdi was probably the worst car I have ever owned , a dreadful thing ) I am very likely to bury the hatchet and make a nice S4 my next car.

And I like them in red. I covet a red one in black line spec. Nice.

R26Andy

404 posts

161 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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The RS4 and the new S4 can be had for similar money now which is causing me a real headache. However, at an absoloute bargain price of £15k theres no contest! Enjoy smile

loudlashadjuster

5,106 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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With the RS4 getting all the headlines over the years the S4 has become a bit of a stealth motor, easily missed, as you say, amongst the S-Lines. An RS4, M3 etc. rumbles by and my neck is craned but the poor S4 just gets a shrug. "Only an S4" I say to myself.

It's only when I play it back like you have here that I remember what a weapon it is. The RS2 was considered bonkers when it was released, this is comparable in terms of pace yet I (we?) almost ignore them.

I shall not be so flippant in future!

p.s. Wet dog vomit

Gio G

2,945 posts

209 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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That 3.0TFSI engine is superb IMO..

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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In fairness to your relatives - and as someone who seldoms washes their car either - if you take a car into a dealer looking like you've taken a st on and IN it, you'll get a low bid.

I'm all for using a car as a tool - but if you're too lazy to clean it before you ask someone to buy it, you cannot be surprised if you're bidded low?

I've seen cleaner farm vehicles...

SunDiver

780 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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If you really want to liven it up a little, then I suggest you take a look at...

www.mrctuning.com

They're in Banbury - Audi Driver tuning award for seven years running. They're now offering their stage 2 package for around £1500 - smaller pulley for the supercharger etc.

This is the dyno plot you need to see...(500ps, 600NM)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5118773355...

No affiliation - just in the market for a B8 S4 myself these days and they did some great stuff on my previous B5s...


X5TUU

11,936 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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nice, very nice indeed, although for true stealthy-ness a nice black wrap would do wonders wink lol

also good to see a nice estate car actually used for its purpose, even if the remnants are harder to shift lol! smile

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Years ago when I worked at a dealer, the one smell you could never get out of a trade in was the smell of dog. I can smell that boot from here...

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Has our Mr H taken a blow to the head recently?

Monkey said:
its coachwork displays a rich patina of age and minor incidents
I mean seriously? it's a 3yo series production audi estate, that hasn't been washed in a while that's all. I know CH swans round in shiney new flash motors the entire time, but a 3yo audi, even one that perhaps hasn't been treated to a wash every 3days isn't exactly SHEDing now is it ;-)



And as to the +75bhp from a software change - i call custard on that one too!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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The S4 is a great daily stter

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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A smell is only really bad when you can taste it.

Remagel2507

1,456 posts

192 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Liking these more and more at the moment especially with the power that the tuners have been able to get out of them. I'd be getting the interior stripped out and a full valet if I was buying it though

Dazed & Confused

202 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Now that I've seen the awful silver wing mirrors I can't unsee them!

I expect you can get a normal grill from a breaker pretty easily. Remove the V6T badges, get some slightly less blingy wheels amd some red wing mirrors - ultimate sleeper.


anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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I had no idea these things had got so cheap! Id love a quick awd estate

Krikkit

26,513 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Max_Torque said:
Has our Mr H taken a blow to the head recently?

Monkey said:
its coachwork displays a rich patina of age and minor incidents
I mean seriously? it's a 3yo series production audi estate, that hasn't been washed in a while that's all. I know CH swans round in shiney new flash motors the entire time, but a 3yo audi, even one that perhaps hasn't been treated to a wash every 3days isn't exactly SHEDing now is it ;-)
But how many car park dents, excitable dog scratches etc etc are hiding under the filth? It's obviously been a dog-mobile of some well-heeled folk, who aren't likely to care about a few blemishes on the snotter.