RE: New Range Rover Sport: official
Discussion
PunterCam said:
All getting a touch horrible at land rover. There is no hint utilitarian about anything in their line up anymore. Technically I suppose the defender is still on sale, and I love it, but it's almost a separate company in its own right these days. I dread to think what the (still quite functional and therefore credible) freelander replacement will be like.
I think the more they (think they) cater to the people who buy their cars, the less of those people will buy them. These people aren't buying the X5 of M-class, they're buying the the slightly more utilitarian option - the off-roader that's been made more civilized. The more glitzy those cars become, the less cool, the less unique they are.
I'm sure it's a great car.
.... except they're smashing sales targets with the Evoque, and continue to be one of the most successful car makers in terms of growing market share. They make good margins too. I think the more they (think they) cater to the people who buy their cars, the less of those people will buy them. These people aren't buying the X5 of M-class, they're buying the the slightly more utilitarian option - the off-roader that's been made more civilized. The more glitzy those cars become, the less cool, the less unique they are.
I'm sure it's a great car.
these boys know what they're doing - this will sell in droves.
Jobbo said:
But the FFRR is reassuringly more expensive than the RRS. I can't see a compelling reason to pay the extra when you can reduce the sportiness of an RRS and get the same basic car for tens of thousands less.
How can you? They're different cars for different markets. By your analogy nobody would have bought the last Sport when they could have had a Discovery for less (a Sport with reduced sportiness).The Vambo said:
P50 said:
Probably nice to drive blah blah blah.
But who cares? Invariably driven by rotund vermin with nasty chav plate and questionable driving styles.
The polar opposite of the excellent Fiat 500 and I detest it. The only bonus is the owners are paying obscene amounts of cash to look crap.
So at least one win...
Can Fiat 500 fanboys have a rant? or is it more a high pitched flounce?But who cares? Invariably driven by rotund vermin with nasty chav plate and questionable driving styles.
The polar opposite of the excellent Fiat 500 and I detest it. The only bonus is the owners are paying obscene amounts of cash to look crap.
So at least one win...
Edited by P50 on Wednesday 27th March 13:14
Fire99 said:
unrepentant said:
Ok. So no experience, just hot air. Got it. 
A well deserved 
Fire99 said:
Have they made it reliable now? It was often a bugbear of Range Rovers of old..
..and then admit that you have no experience of the cars whatsoever and are presumably repeating uninformed hearsay. When someone who does have experience (sold hundreds, owned several) questions the veracity of your hyperbole your response is to roll your eyes.I
that you are an uniformed 
and suggest you should 
to save yourself from further 
. unrepentant said:
..and then admit that you have no experience of the cars whatsoever and are presumably repeating uninformed hearsay. When someone who does have experience (sold hundreds, owned several) questions the veracity of your hyperbole your response is to roll your eyes.
I that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further .
What uniform is he wearing?I
that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further . LuS1fer said:
unrepentant said:
..and then admit that you have no experience of the cars whatsoever and are presumably repeating uninformed hearsay. When someone who does have experience (sold hundreds, owned several) questions the veracity of your hyperbole your response is to roll your eyes.
I that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further .
What uniform is he wearing?I
that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further . NomduJour said:
How can you? They're different cars for different markets. By your analogy nobody would have bought the last Sport when they could have had a Discovery for less (a Sport with reduced sportiness).
In the same way that the Galaxy and S-Max were different cars for different markets. The problem being that they were so similar, people bought one in preference to the other.Your analogy of the old Disco and Sport is facile; the image was totally different as well as the sportiness. There's been quite a convergence between the Sport and RR.
Jobbo said:
In the same way that the Galaxy and S-Max were different cars for different markets. The problem being that they were so similar, people bought one in preference to the other.
Your analogy of the old Disco and Sport is facile; the image was totally different as well as the sportiness. There's been quite a convergence between the Sport and RR.
I think it's more the case that people who were not in the market for a Galaxy/S-Max but read about them on here or in the mags thought they were too similar. Anyone with specific needs for that size car would be very aware of the difference and same with the FFRR & RRS. Your analogy of the old Disco and Sport is facile; the image was totally different as well as the sportiness. There's been quite a convergence between the Sport and RR.
Jobbo said:
NomduJour said:
The other way around, obviously.
But the FFRR is reassuringly more expensive than the RRS. I can't see a compelling reason to pay the extra when you can reduce the sportiness of an RRS and get the same basic car for tens of thousands less.I think that there will be enough of a differential between the 2 cars for both to sell in large quantities.
The Vambo said:
I think it's more the case that people who were not in the market for a Galaxy/S-Max but read about them on here or in the mags thought they were too similar. Anyone with specific needs for that size car would be very aware of the difference and same with the FFRR & RRS.
I hope you're right - I want JLR to do well. And the fact that I'm fairly alone in perceiving more similarities than differences may well be evidence that my concerns are unfounded.But the Galaxy was pretty famously poor-selling compared to the S-Max. I think I've only really seen Galaxies with Addison Lee logos on the side. So with specific need for a family bus, it seems consumers went for the funkier version.
unrepentant said:
I'm ordering our first cars tomorrow and just priced out a nicely but not extravagantly specced Sport V6 S/C HSE with 2 speed transfer case and we are looking at around $75k. This compares to $66,700 for the old HSE LUX so a pretty sizeable increase. Least expensive new FFRR we have sold has been $91k, average (non S/C V8) has been around $95k. (All US market figures obviously).
Out of interest what's the option cost for the 2spd, and reason for customer speccing it over the single speed?
jagfan2 said:
unrepentant said:
I'm ordering our first cars tomorrow and just priced out a nicely but not extravagantly specced Sport V6 S/C HSE with 2 speed transfer case and we are looking at around $75k. This compares to $66,700 for the old HSE LUX so a pretty sizeable increase. Least expensive new FFRR we have sold has been $91k, average (non S/C V8) has been around $95k. (All US market figures obviously).
Out of interest what's the option cost for the 2spd, and reason for customer speccing it over the single speed?5 plus 2 seating not available until 2nd month of production.
unrepentant said:
..and then admit that you have no experience of the cars whatsoever and are presumably repeating uninformed hearsay. When someone who does have experience (sold hundreds, owned several) questions the veracity of your hyperbole your response is to roll your eyes.
I that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further .
You know what they say about judging others... Always tricky ground...I
that you are an uniformed and suggest you should to save yourself from further . As with anything, you can only discuss an issue with someone who wishes to discuss, rather than just leap at the "if you haven't owned one, you know nothing" line.
You've lept on the 'accusational' where with my experience there have been enough (not millions) instances of air suspension 'issues' to ask how reliable the current system is.
But do feel free to continue with your tirade.
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