RE: Jaguar F-Type V6 S: Driven
Discussion
Wills2 said:
If and when they produce a coupe, I'll go test one that's for sure, would be a V6S couldn't afford the V8.
I want to see one in the flesh, I'm guessing they look low and very wide and will have masses of road presence.
.I want to see one in the flesh, I'm guessing they look low and very wide and will have masses of road presence.
I've been waiting for the coupe ever since the CX16 prototype was first shown. I think when it finally arrives I need to go and hide because I'm going to want want one so badly I may even be tempted to buy it without the employee programme being in place.
unrepentant said:
It's a sports car FFS! If you want a huge boot you don't buy a 2 seater sports car.
I thought it was more like a GT. It doesn't seem very convincing against another GT like the 991 though.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
But I suppose neither are really at home on a track. Still, 3.3 sec on West is quite a gap.
nickfrog said:
I thought it was more like a GT. It doesn't seem very convincing against another GT like the 991 though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
But I suppose neither are really at home on a track. Still, 3.3 sec on West is quite a gap.
The Porker that Needell drove costs more than the V8 S F Type but they chose to match it against the much less expensive and less powerful V6 F. What a surprise. It proves nothing and in any event both cars would surely have been quicker in the hands of a driver who drove rather than slid round for the cameras. Pointless comparison IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...
But I suppose neither are really at home on a track. Still, 3.3 sec on West is quite a gap.
I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
unrepentant said:
The Porker that Needell drove costs more than the V8 S F Type but they chose to match it against the much less expensive and less powerful V6 F. What a surprise. It proves nothing and in any event both cars would surely have been quicker in the hands of a driver who drove rather than slid round for the cameras. Pointless comparison IMO.
I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
OK thanks. That is utterly stupid of them then, as you say it's irrelevant. Would be good to hear what you think of both although Tiff tends to differentiate exhuberant laps and tidy ones ! I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
Maybe a comparison between the V6 and a Boxter S would have been more interesting.
unrepentant said:
The Porker that Needell drove costs more than the V8 S F Type but they chose to match it against the much less expensive and less powerful V6 F. What a surprise. It proves nothing and in any event both cars would surely have been quicker in the hands of a driver who drove rather than slid round for the cameras. Pointless comparison IMO.
I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
That was a C2 carrera with 350bhp against a more powerful V6S Jaguar. I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
19" wheels and black brake calipers of the C2.
He show boated for the camera but then put in a fast lap, Tiff knows how to drive a car.
Come on matey play the game!
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 20th April 11:27
Wills2 said:
That was a C2 carrera with 350bhp against a more powerful V6S Jaguar.
It would have been a better comparison to have put two similarly priced cars against each other. That's how everyone here is comparing them. It's all utterly irrelevant to the people who will buy them anyway.
unrepentant said:
Wills2 said:
That was a C2 carrera with 350bhp against a more powerful V6S Jaguar.
It would have been a better comparison to have put two similarly priced cars against each other. That's how everyone here is comparing them. It's all utterly irrelevant to the people who will buy them anyway.
Agreed these things are utterly irrelevant to the majority of people who will buy either car, but we are not the majority we love arguing about these things!
You can't have it both ways it's either a competitor to the 911 (as Jag have said) or it isn't.
A fairer comparison would have been against a Boxster S but then you'd have complained about that. (and I doubt JLR's PR people wouldn't have allowed it)
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 20th April 13:04
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 20th April 14:20
unrepentant said:
The Porker that Needell drove costs more than the V8 S F Type but they chose to match it against the much less expensive and less powerful V6 F. What a surprise. It proves nothing and in any event both cars would surely have been quicker in the hands of a driver who drove rather than slid round for the cameras. Pointless comparison IMO.
I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
I am pretty sure that Tiff would have genuinely gone for a time rather than sliding whilst driving each for timed lap but there were two points that struck me. First, he said it was the first time he had driven an F-Type, he had fun for a while to get the dramatic shots and then went for the timed lap. I get the feeling he has driven a 911 a few times before so possibly knew better how to get a good time in it - I will add that I know he is a good driver who can probably get to a good time pretty quickly in a new car but experience will help, I doubt it made 3 seconds of difference though. Secondly, if he really was setting the fastest time possible shouldn't he be wearing a helmet? Is the time recorded really the best you can do if you aren't protected and should the circuit allow that anyway?I'm going to drive both cars at the IMS next week so at least I can judge for myself.
Wills2 said:
unrepentant said:
Wills2 said:
That was a C2 carrera with 350bhp against a more powerful V6S Jaguar.
It would have been a better comparison to have put two similarly priced cars against each other. That's how everyone here is comparing them. It's all utterly irrelevant to the people who will buy them anyway.
Agreed these things are utterly irrelevant to the majority of people who will buy either car, but we are not the majority we love arguing about these things!
You can't have it both ways it's either a competitor to the 911 (as Jag have said) or it isn't.
A fairer comparison would have been against a Boxster S but then you'd have complained about that. (and I doubt JLR's PR people wouldn't have allowed it)
We're driving Boxster S, SL550, SLK etc.. as well.
Everybody who was on the training is totally buzzed about the car and we're a pretty cynical bunch so I'm pretty confident that we have a winner.
The thing is, the F-Type doesn't have to be better than a 911, the A4 has never been better than the 3 series but hasn't stop it from selling. So long as it is a roughly equivalent product, which it would appear to be, and doesn't have any gaping deficiencies then it has every chance of success.
People seem to be getting a bit obsessed about it being "best". I think it's in the same position as the MP12 4C in that it is not best in class but is a good product and will help raise brand recognition and reputation in its segment.
Dark grey V8 coop with tan please.
People seem to be getting a bit obsessed about it being "best". I think it's in the same position as the MP12 4C in that it is not best in class but is a good product and will help raise brand recognition and reputation in its segment.
Dark grey V8 coop with tan please.
The Vambo said:
The thing is, the F-Type doesn't have to be better than a 911, the A4 has never been better than the 3 series but hasn't stop it from selling. So long as it is a roughly equivalent product, which it would appear to be, and doesn't have any gaping deficiencies then it has every chance of success.
Pretty much.People who set out to buy a 911 will go and buy a 911. No amount of performance or marketing will change that. However, a huge section of the market is made up of people who are just in the market for a 2 seater convertible with a prestige name. Generic 50-something women with blonde hair and shoulderpads, golf-club gentlemen, company directors with remarkable body shapes. You know the sort. I suspect fewer than 10% of performance cay buyers actually know or care about the car's true abilities.
I haven't read the whole evo article yet but my subscription copy arrived today and there is a drive comparison in there which compares the v6s with the 911, probably the same ones as in the video. The conclusion is that on the limit when absolutely going for it the 911 is better, otherwise the Jag is more fun. So for that very rare bit of driving which will account for a lot less than 1% of the total for most drivers the 911 is better, if you have the skill and the road to do it, otherwise you get more driving pleasure from the Jag, I know which I'll go for when I can afford it*.
- I would almost certainly have another XK actually, but that is a different issue.
the standard 911 in convertible form is the softest and most GT of the range. yet, it is quicker than the jaguar that has more power.
that doesn't look good for the comparison boxsterS/f-type.
but the biggest miss of the jaguar is that it doesn't look like a £60k nor offers the level of technology and innovation you would expect at this level of price. it could have been launched 5 years ago. BMW did a similar car in 1999 with the Z8
that doesn't look good for the comparison boxsterS/f-type.
but the biggest miss of the jaguar is that it doesn't look like a £60k nor offers the level of technology and innovation you would expect at this level of price. it could have been launched 5 years ago. BMW did a similar car in 1999 with the Z8
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