RE: Jaguar F-Type V6 S: Driven
Discussion
AP said:
Although definitely the most exciting new Jaguar in well over a decade, I think they made a mistake by launching the convertible first.
I'm in no doubt it's a great car and it really does look good in the flesh, but basically it's a roadster with some powerful engines to choose from.
There's nothing wrong with that of course, but I reckon it's a major mistake to take on the 911 with what basically is a roadster.
If the coupe were launched first, or alongside the convertible, it would have stood a much better chance of being taken seriously as a 911 competitor for several reasons:
-It's a better looking shape
-The driving dynamics will be better because of the roof
-luggage space wouldn't be a clear win for the german rival
Maybe the coupe wasn't production ready at the time of the launch, but much like with the previous 'true sportscar' Jaguar made, it would have been the right decision to present the closed car anyway, just like they did in 1961.
It's easier to engineer a coupe from a cabrio than the other way around.I'm in no doubt it's a great car and it really does look good in the flesh, but basically it's a roadster with some powerful engines to choose from.
There's nothing wrong with that of course, but I reckon it's a major mistake to take on the 911 with what basically is a roadster.
If the coupe were launched first, or alongside the convertible, it would have stood a much better chance of being taken seriously as a 911 competitor for several reasons:
-It's a better looking shape
-The driving dynamics will be better because of the roof
-luggage space wouldn't be a clear win for the german rival
Maybe the coupe wasn't production ready at the time of the launch, but much like with the previous 'true sportscar' Jaguar made, it would have been the right decision to present the closed car anyway, just like they did in 1961.
stunning from the back, still not sold on the front.
cant wait for the hardtop.............and then 10 years of depreciation so i can afford one.
everybody is on about porshe but i think they will nick customers from mercedes..... i was in the brooklands merc showroom and a new sl500 (v8, convertible) was on the stand for 97k!!!
that makes the f-type good value sureley.
cant wait for the hardtop.............and then 10 years of depreciation so i can afford one.
everybody is on about porshe but i think they will nick customers from mercedes..... i was in the brooklands merc showroom and a new sl500 (v8, convertible) was on the stand for 97k!!!
that makes the f-type good value sureley.
unrepentant said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Porsche blah blah blah. Yawn. Pistonheads is so predictable.
It's clearly a great car. Look on it as an Aston Vantage competitor (in V8S form) and it's stonking value.
Be happy that a British company has built a great car. Lift yourselves above the gloom of austerity and celebrate the fact.
But most of all, stop crapping on about default Porsches.
Looking forward to the manual coupé
It's clearly a great car. Look on it as an Aston Vantage competitor (in V8S form) and it's stonking value.
Be happy that a British company has built a great car. Lift yourselves above the gloom of austerity and celebrate the fact.
But most of all, stop crapping on about default Porsches.
Looking forward to the manual coupé
It's a brilliant new car and will sell well. We've been waiting for it since 1975. Well done JLR. What a fantastic few years since TATA took over. Brilliant new XJ, fantastic Evoque, utterly incredible new FFRR, great new Sport and now a truly exceptional new Jaguar sports car. And more to come..
It's British and it's great. Be proud, I am.
HeMightBeBanned said:
Porsche blah blah blah. Yawn. Pistonheads is so predictable.
It's clearly a great car. Look on it as an Aston Vantage competitor (in V8S form) and it's stonking value.
Be happy that a British company has built a great car. Lift yourselves above the gloom of austerity and celebrate the fact.
But most of all, stop crapping on about default Porsches.
Looking forward to the manual coupé
This. It's clearly a great car. Look on it as an Aston Vantage competitor (in V8S form) and it's stonking value.
Be happy that a British company has built a great car. Lift yourselves above the gloom of austerity and celebrate the fact.
But most of all, stop crapping on about default Porsches.
Looking forward to the manual coupé
Everyone thinks that the Porsche 911 will either make or break this car like it is the only default choice yawn, yawn. On the launch events I went to, there were a number of 911 drivers there who wanted it as they had brought their 911 because there was nothing else really available.
And for those who haven't seen one in the flesh, it is wider than an R8 so certainly has road presence.
Final point, for those saying it is over-priced, against what? Porsche Boxster? See above for why this does not necessarily stand.
MissChief said:
Problem is, despite all Jaguar's attempts, as an Open Top Sports car any buyer is going to look at this. And then look at a Porsche Boxster which is the thick end of £10k cheaper. Now if they made a Coupe version and offered a Soft top along side it, they might get away with it, but as it is it's too expensive. It doesn;t directly compare to a 911. Also a lot fo people 'will always buy a 911' because it's a Porsche 911. It's still some peoples idea of the Ultimate 'affordable' Sports car.
By following your argument anyone going in to a Porsche showroom will look at the Boxster and then get an MX5 because it is a cheaper open top sports car. But they don't, life isn't like that.Prawnboy said:
stunning from the back, still not sold on the front.
cant wait for the hardtop.............and then 10 years of depreciation so i can afford one.
everybody is on about porshe but i think they will nick customers from mercedes..... i was in the brooklands merc showroom and a new sl500 (v8, convertible) was on the stand for 97k!!!
that makes the f-type good value sureley.
I had thought that about the SL too - plenty of people buy those and some maybe want a car more overtly sporting so the F-Type will certainly fit that role. At the end of the day the only car Jag don't want to take too many sales from is the XK, but that will change with the next generation to make it compete in a different category.cant wait for the hardtop.............and then 10 years of depreciation so i can afford one.
everybody is on about porshe but i think they will nick customers from mercedes..... i was in the brooklands merc showroom and a new sl500 (v8, convertible) was on the stand for 97k!!!
that makes the f-type good value sureley.
Isnt it a competitor to the SL and AMV8? I dont know, just me being logical and thinking of similar cars.
No, I dont really care what the manufacturer or the press say.
Its not a Boxster or Cayman rival...thats pretty f
king logically obvious. Its not a 911 rival, again pretty fking logically obvious. So you look where its logical rivals are...and you end up with the SL and AMV8.
They seem to sell well, so the Jag has a chance.
No, I dont really care what the manufacturer or the press say.
Its not a Boxster or Cayman rival...thats pretty f
king logically obvious. Its not a 911 rival, again pretty fking logically obvious. So you look where its logical rivals are...and you end up with the SL and AMV8.They seem to sell well, so the Jag has a chance.
MyCC said:
kambites said:
MyCC said:
it is wider than an R8.
Really?That, for me, ruins any appeal that it had.
I'm sure lots of people will love it, but it's definitely not for me (not that I could justify ever the price of a new one anyway).
I have seen about 3 so far.....certainly my 2012 XK Convertible will be going in for p/x when the factory cars come up for sale late 13 early 14.
Interesting to see if there is any premium on prices for the first few months, but sure as hell it will depreciate once all the hype has gone
Interesting to see if there is any premium on prices for the first few months, but sure as hell it will depreciate once all the hype has gone
Aston need to bring out something new. All their range is old hat, and they're jumping on the Porsche band-wagon of derivation. Hat's off to Jag, and the Sutcliffe review from Autocar just sums it up perfectly.
I also think there's some people on here that just don't want JLR to do well, despite what they bring out.
I also think there's some people on here that just don't want JLR to do well, despite what they bring out.
MyCC said:
Why? A wider track gives added stability. Being wide has not done the R8 any harm in driveability and F Type only slightly wider after all.
Regards,
My CC.
Wider than an R8? That surprises me.Regards,
My CC.
I see 3 or 4 of these F-Types daily (all V6/S models mind you) and they don't look anywhere near as wide as an R8 on the road. They do have tremendous road presence though and look far fresher than any Aston or Porsche.
I think it looks great, it should be a different demographic to the XK, which to me always whiffs of Gin, Golf Clubs, pink polo necks and Cravats a bit, well the first one did, the current one less so but this doesnt. It seems to split the entry 911 and Boxster/Cayman price ranges down the middle, I would drive both and see which I preffered.
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