Shell V-Power Nitro+

[telecat]

About 3/4 tank went into my Cruze 1.8. Not a rocket ship but the difference in throttle response is very noticeable. It is much quicker.

[liner33]

youngsyr said:

Not contradictory: I'm saying that V-Power doesn't have a fixed level of ethanol (it is marketed as "up to 5%"). Different blends of V-Power will have different amounts.

So, if you can tell the difference between V-Power and Momentum99, you should be able to tell the difference between the different blends of V-Power.

To say that V-Power is better than Momentum99 shows to my mind that the person is being swayed by the brand, not the blend.

If you ever get a different blend of V power that is, I tend to refuel at the same place , presumably the filling station buys from the same place so I get the same blend

Its not brand loyalty for me one of my cars runs better on V power , the other on Tesco

However since the re-brand its less of a difference if any

Not sure I buy the different blends at different refinery's, I reckon the re-brand was brought about due to an increase in ethanol in the new Vpower above the 5% and its probably in line with momentum now

[youngsyr]

liner33 said:

youngsyr said:

Not contradictory: I'm saying that V-Power doesn't have a fixed level of ethanol (it is marketed as "up to 5%"). Different blends of V-Power will have different amounts.

So, if you can tell the difference between V-Power and Momentum99, you should be able to tell the difference between the different blends of V-Power.

To say that V-Power is better than Momentum99 shows to my mind that the person is being swayed by the brand, not the blend.

If you ever get a different blend of V power that is, I tend to refuel at the same place , presumably the filling station buys from the same place so I get the same blend

Its not brand loyalty for me one of my cars runs better on V power , the other on Tesco

However since the re-brand its less of a difference if any

Not sure I buy the different blends at different refinery's, I reckon the re-brand was brought about due to an increase in ethanol in the new Vpower above the 5% and its probably in line with momentum now

The blends weren't just by geographic region - they varied by time of year (winter vs summer). So, same petrol station would get different blends.

Also, I believe VPower Nitro is still "Up to 5%" Ethanol, so no change from old V Power.

Momentum99 is 5% Ethanol (and 3% methanol):

http://www.tescopfs.com/momentum99/specifications

[liner33]

+ methanol which V power didnt have

I dont belive V power is still 5% , I wouldnt be surprised if its closer to 10% now , they are traditionally very guarded about how much is in it due to public perception

[youngsyr]

liner33 said:

+ methanol which V power didnt have

Could you show your source for that? I've never seen any details of what goes into V-Power being officially published?

[NGK210]

youngsyr said:

Momentum99 is 5% Ethanol (and 3% methanol):

http://www.tescopfs.com/momentum99/specifications

Does Momentum99 contain any cleaning additives?

Having recently had my car's injectors, inlet valves and combustion chambers de-gunked simultaneously by a Tunap dialysis-type flush - and consequently it now goes like stink - I'm mindful of using a fuel containing cleaning additives, which V-Power has.

However, my car has slightly better mid-range and top-end oomph, and mpg, using Momentum99 compared to V-Power

Edited by NGK210 on Thursday 11th July 00:48

[skinny]

youngsyr said:

Momentum99 is 5% Ethanol (and 3% methanol):

http://www.tescopfs.com/momentum99/specifications

This is a specification not a formulation. you can have any combination of those oxygenates (ethanol, methanol, IPA etc) up to the maximum volume % as stated for each oxygenate but also with a maximum oxygen content in the fuel of 2.7%.

Oxygen content of ethanol is 35% by mass, oxygen content of methanol is 50% by mass.

Therefore, 5% ethanol plus 3% methanol in a fuel puts you at 3.25% oxygen - above the 2.7% max.

[AH33]

I always run it, though the merc maybe isnt powerful enough to warrant the expensive stuff every time, its only a few pence per litre more so who cares?


havent noticed any more power but my fuel economy is usually 2-3 mpg higher than on regular.

[dcb]

alistair1234 said:

330i is 98 minimum recommendation.

Doubtful. You don't tell us which 330, but my 2008 325
will run on anything from 91 Oktane upover.

91 not available in the UK, only Austria to my knowledge.

Rated power output is with 98 Oktane. Reduced power outputs
with lower Oktane petrols, obviously.

I can personally vouch for anything over 100 Oktane being very good
petrol indeed, with 102 being like party time when the derestricted sign appears.

[NGK210]

But I if an ECU's not set up to run 98RON+, then there's no point in using the likes of V-Power or 99, right?

[youngsyr]

dcb said:

alistair1234 said:

330i is 98 minimum recommendation.

Doubtful. You don't tell us which 330, but my 2008 325
will run on anything from 91 Oktane upover.

91 not available in the UK, only Austria to my knowledge.

Rated power output is with 98 Oktane. Reduced power outputs
with lower Oktane petrols, obviously.

I can personally vouch for anything over 100 Oktane being very good
petrol indeed, with 102 being like party time when the derestricted sign appears.

I'm not convinced the above is correct. Is your car a UKDM model (right hand drive?). If not, you cannot state that just because a EuroDM model will run on 91 Octane, a UKDM one will too.

The same model cars often have different fuel and timing maps in different markets.

[dcb]

youngsyr said:

I'm not convinced the above is correct. Is your car a UKDM model (right hand drive?). If not, you cannot state that just because a EuroDM model will run on 91 Octane, a UKDM one will too.

EuroDM ?

I find a read of the owner's manual to be a beneficial experience.

Yes, it's a UK spec model.

youngsyr said:

The same model cars often have different fuel and timing maps in different markets.

True, but only in an Asia/US/Europe sense, not various little countries in Europe.

The UK's highest road is at 2,000 feet or so, and last week my
325 coped fine at 9,400 feet on the Tiefenbach glacier road in
Austria and the 7,500 feet Timmelsjoch on the Austria / Italy border.

If what you say is true, how so ?

[PhillipM]

91 RON, or 91AKI?

Not the same thing. I suspect the latter.

[youngsyr]

dcb said:

youngsyr said:

I'm not convinced the above is correct. Is your car a UKDM model (right hand drive?). If not, you cannot state that just because a EuroDM model will run on 91 Octane, a UKDM one will too.

EuroDM ?

I find a read of the owner's manual to be a beneficial experience.

Yes, it's a UK spec model.

youngsyr said:

The same model cars often have different fuel and timing maps in different markets.

True, but only in an Asia/US/Europe sense, not various little countries in Europe.

The UK's highest road is at 2,000 feet or so, and last week my
325 coped fine at 9,400 feet on the Tiefenbach glacier road in
Austria and the 7,500 feet Timmelsjoch on the Austria / Italy border.

If what you say is true, how so ?

Depends on the car. EuroDM Mitsubishi Evos are very different cars to UKDM Evos (which are actually tweaked JapaneseDM models).

[GG89]

Toying with the idea of trying this fuel. Currently only use momentum 99 and the car seems to love the stuff engine so smooth and responsive. Decisions, decisions!

[HaloGen8]

My chipped Volvo S40 T4 2001 vintage runs so much better on a diet of Tesco99.

Normal 95 is flat and like driving with the handbrake on.

Shell V Power or Nitro is not much difference at all. But as soon as the Tesco99 juice is back in then there is a genuine and noticeable difference in how responsive the car spools up and the mpg is slightly better too.

Momentum99 all the way.

[A9XXC]

Put some Vpower nitro in the wifes Hyundai Coupe without telling her, as a bit of a blind test. As someone completely disinterested in cars she wanted to know why it was so smooth.

[MikeHull]

I run V-Power Nitro in my M5. wouldnt insult it running it on supermarket unleaded! haha

[Wollemi]

Even in rural Greece most petrol stations sell a 100 octane fuel. She'll have V - Power Racing 100, as well as "normal" V -Power 97. It sells at nearly 2 euro a litre, 20c more than the v-power
I am curious to know why this is; there are virtually no cars on the roads here that could need this fuel, but there must be a market for it
Any one able to explain?

[Gwagon111]

Wollemi said:

Even in rural Greece most petrol stations sell a 100 octane fuel. She'll have V - Power Racing 100, as well as "normal" V -Power 97. It sells at nearly 2 euro a litre, 20c more than the v-power
I am curious to know why this is; there are virtually no cars on the roads here that could need this fuel, but there must be a market for it
Any one able to explain?

The highest octane versions, have tended to only be available at or near race circuits, as far as the U.K. is concerned. I think those fuels are aimed at the 'track day' market.