New 'Dutch-style' cycle roundabouts
Discussion
Sorry if pea-roast...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-223507...
Okay, at first I thought yeah that's a great idea, but what made me click was first a) £100 million? Get f
ked please and b) safer for cyclists....?
Now I have nothing against improving the safety of cyclists obviously, but not if there is the potential to reduce safety for other groups, like perhaps, car drivers.
I don't know any real figures on accidents at normal roundabouts, but add in a cyclist bombing across with his 'right-of-way' and you will get some dozy fkers slamming on the brakes and causing a rear-end or similar if people aren't paying proper attention.
Now I am genuinely not trying to blow smoke here and have a go at cyclists, as of course not all of them are like the cyclist featured in the 'White-van man' video a few days back. I think the idea has potential, just not sure where.
Edit: it could even be a better system than we already have as cyclists and drivers are separated, but I can't see it working too well. A lot of the people (read 'morons') out on the road don't even know how to get round a normal roundabout/junction...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-223507...
Okay, at first I thought yeah that's a great idea, but what made me click was first a) £100 million? Get f
ked please and b) safer for cyclists....?Now I have nothing against improving the safety of cyclists obviously, but not if there is the potential to reduce safety for other groups, like perhaps, car drivers.
I don't know any real figures on accidents at normal roundabouts, but add in a cyclist bombing across with his 'right-of-way' and you will get some dozy f
kers slamming on the brakes and causing a rear-end or similar if people aren't paying proper attention. Now I am genuinely not trying to blow smoke here and have a go at cyclists, as of course not all of them are like the cyclist featured in the 'White-van man' video a few days back. I think the idea has potential, just not sure where.
Edit: it could even be a better system than we already have as cyclists and drivers are separated, but I can't see it working too well. A lot of the people (read 'morons') out on the road don't even know how to get round a normal roundabout/junction...
It'll likely never work, but not for the normal reason.
On my commute to work I drive along around a mile of 70mph dual carriageway that goes from a university campus to the centre of town. As a result there are a lot of cyclists on there, and when it's busy it gets a little dicey with the difference in speed.
The council did something quite sensible recently, and used some of the grass verge to put a nice wide cycle lane in, segregated by a sensible distance from the road. It's made it much safer for cyclists and other road users to get along (and get along on) that stretch of road.
Except at least 50% of the cyclists I see on that road are ignoring the cycle lane and riding along the road. Grr.
On my commute to work I drive along around a mile of 70mph dual carriageway that goes from a university campus to the centre of town. As a result there are a lot of cyclists on there, and when it's busy it gets a little dicey with the difference in speed.
The council did something quite sensible recently, and used some of the grass verge to put a nice wide cycle lane in, segregated by a sensible distance from the road. It's made it much safer for cyclists and other road users to get along (and get along on) that stretch of road.
Except at least 50% of the cyclists I see on that road are ignoring the cycle lane and riding along the road. Grr.
cptsideways said:
Holy crap how dangerous is that!!! Have these researchers never heard of A Pillars????
Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
THIS^^Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
So for a few roundabouts the usual way of driving them will be almost completely reversed? Check shoulder, join roundabout, crash into car that has now stopped mid-roundabout.
cptsideways said:
Holy crap how dangerous is that!!! Have these researchers never heard of A Pillars????
Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
Forcing people to pay attention whilst driving?! Whatever next??Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
I hope that the trial is successful.
I drive cars, ride motorbikes and cycle. The attitude of many drivers towards cyclists is disgraceful.
do we have room for these roundabouts in London ?
Not at any that are close to me
no we should not be killing bike riders but we should also get the bikes to obey the road rules as well, especially in city of London there are loads that think they have full right of way regardless of or people, cars or traffic lights
When will bike riders have insurance for when they do scrape a car or knock a mirror off ?
Not at any that are close to me
no we should not be killing bike riders but we should also get the bikes to obey the road rules as well, especially in city of London there are loads that think they have full right of way regardless of or people, cars or traffic lights
When will bike riders have insurance for when they do scrape a car or knock a mirror off ?
MC Bodge said:
cptsideways said:
Holy crap how dangerous is that!!! Have these researchers never heard of A Pillars????
Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
Forcing people to pay attention whilst driving?! Whatever next??Plus forcing cars to stop mid exit is only going to increase rear end shunts....
I hope that the trial is successful.
I drive cars, ride motorbikes and cycle. The attitude of many drivers towards cyclists is disgraceful.
PS I am a cyclist too, IIRC they had these in Weymouth a few years back
cptsideways said:
The whole point of quote is modern cars have big A pillars, meaning you will need see the cyclists in the first place as they are obscured
meaning you will need There is a strange, selfish "I'm alright, Jack" approach to driving.
The British may have many positive attributes, but accommodating other road users whilst driving isn't one of them.
Bicycles are integrated into society in The Netherlands and other European countries. Let's hope that this will be true in the UK at some point.
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