The Truth about Koneigsegg?
Discussion
monthefish said:
Zod said:
Are you seriously suggesting that you'd look at a 400k car next to a 1m car and be able to say that you could see a difference in standard of the interior that was appropriate to the price points?
Absolutely. Are you saying you wouldn't?The F40 interior was never going to be luxurious. It was utilitarian because that was the point of the car.
Edited by Zod on Tuesday 7th May 15:52
hairykrishna said:
Zod said:
I am indeed. At either price point, the interior will be bespoke to the car.
Really? Even the 'hypercars' seem to borrow most of their switchgear and instruments from other models. hairykrishna said:
Zod said:
That's not really what I meant (I shoudl know with the horrible Ford stalks in my modest car).
Ok, I misunderstood - what did you mean by bespoke then?
The McLaren F1 has light clusters of a TVR ( or was it Lotus???) ( to avoid the expense of getting them road car approved)
TVR got them off some commercial vehicle but didn't get approval for them to be used on a road car.
Source: An interview I saw about 6+ years ago on the telly with Gordon Murray talking through the history.
I'm sure a google will dig it up.
BC - best avoid. He 'd have an aneurism if he knew.
TVR got them off some commercial vehicle but didn't get approval for them to be used on a road car.
Source: An interview I saw about 6+ years ago on the telly with Gordon Murray talking through the history.
I'm sure a google will dig it up.
BC - best avoid. He 'd have an aneurism if he knew.
Don't have $1M but if I had the Agera would be right at the top of my list regardless of what BC (whoever he is) says. Roof box and everything. Can understand people's frustrations (and the huge amounts involved) but with so many cars is it really necessary to cause such a stir? It does feel like wanting to bail out of the deal more than anything else.
So what more do you want? Liberally sprinkled Swarovski crystals? Gold plated matal surfaces? 
£400K is more than enough to incorporate every reasonable design wish for a driver-orientated environment built from the most suitable materials. Of course you can make it more expensive - the likes of Mansory et al make a fairly decent living off it - but it will serve no purpose other than showing off the extreme wealth and lack of taste of the owner. Which is something K'egg isn't all about although I'm sure they will oblige if asked.
£400K is more than enough to incorporate every reasonable design wish for a driver-orientated environment built from the most suitable materials. Of course you can make it more expensive - the likes of Mansory et al make a fairly decent living off it - but it will serve no purpose other than showing off the extreme wealth and lack of taste of the owner. Which is something K'egg isn't all about although I'm sure they will oblige if asked.
youngsyr said:
Is there no room for improvement on the interior of a Lamborghini Aventador (list price $387,000)?
Instrument cluster aside, it doesn't look much better than a top end German marque.
Instrument cluster aside, it doesn't look much better than a top end German marque.
900T-R said:
So what more do you want? Liberally sprinkled Swarovski crystals? Gold plated matal surfaces?
£400K is more than enough to incorporate every reasonable design wish for a driver-orientated environment built from the most suitable materials. Of course you can make it more expensive - the likes of Mansory et al make a fairly decent living off it - but it will serve no purpose other than showing off the extreme wealth and lack of taste of the owner. Which is something K'egg isn't all about although I'm sure they will oblige if asked.
In his signature he does have a Mansory SLR £400K is more than enough to incorporate every reasonable design wish for a driver-orientated environment built from the most suitable materials. Of course you can make it more expensive - the likes of Mansory et al make a fairly decent living off it - but it will serve no purpose other than showing off the extreme wealth and lack of taste of the owner. Which is something K'egg isn't all about although I'm sure they will oblige if asked.
At least he was restrained and got it in white and not gold...
twoblacklines said:
Why has everyone read the Koniegesegg press statement as gospel truth? It is not like they are going to admit fault... they are full of excuses but you guys on here simply start going on about trust fund babies... Ever considered that CvK may be lying?
Where have you even got the conclusion that BC kept changing spec from?
Seems to be a lot of hate for him from people who dont have his finances hmmm.
Why have Where have you even got the conclusion that BC kept changing spec from?
Seems to be a lot of hate for him from people who dont have his finances hmmm.
Where have you
Seems to be a lot of
FWIW, strikes me as the classic 3 sides to every story scenario.
twoblacklines said:
Why has everyone read the Koniegesegg press statement as gospel truth? It is not like they are going to admit fault... they are full of excuses but you guys on here simply start going on about trust fund babies... Ever considered that CvK may be lying?
Where have you even got the conclusion that BC kept changing spec from?
Seems to be a lot of hate for him from people who dont have his finances hmmm.
For starters, because one of the parties hace openly called Christian a liar, compared him with Hitler, openly admited he's threatened him and continued to publically threaten him after getting his money back... with interest (much to his smug delight I may add). And all of this in language belonging to a 13 year old illiterate with suspected ADHD or asperger's. He should be thankful Koenigsegg chose to take the high road because they could've gone to court and made a healthy sum on defamation, harassment and breach of contract. Where have you even got the conclusion that BC kept changing spec from?
Seems to be a lot of hate for him from people who dont have his finances hmmm.
Secondly, because the "lies" and "issues" he presented to the public court were hysterical.
- The great "revelation" that CvK isn't the majority share holder and have financed with venture capital was first revealed by, brace yourself, his wife Haldora in Megafactories. The majority share holder and Christian's personal friend the norwegian Bard Eker does have quite a few other businesses though, like Hydrolift for instance. So does Christian for that matter, £5.7M in assets in Alpraaz alone according to the 2012 balance sheet (I checked it just now). Cargine which is owned by the Koenigegg Group (not to be confused by Koenigsegg Automotive) is currently in business with PSA Peugot Citroen, Daimler AG and others via Scuderi Engine in a project that is thought to be the future of the combustion engine. Koenigsegg Automotive is simply not the great cash cow and they're not nearing bankrupcy anytime soon. They're top to bottom absurd statements.
- The idea that the paint blemishes were part of standard procedure were absolutely silly considering the car was going to a very public unveil in the US (to a infamous customer) and CvK had to have been an absolute idiot to try to sneak that one by. With this BC characters public persona and hundreds of cameras aimed at the car, do you really think the car left the factory in anything but immaculate condition? Is it even possible they had anything but the best intentions in any plausible scenario regarding the car? There's been much said about Koenigsegg's poor PR but let's not assume they've sold a 100 cars on the basis of utter incompetence.
- The interior does indeed look like s
t but so does every other interior dressed in all black alcantara and this tasteless interior choice was a Koenigsegg first and a 100% the customer's choice - he even bragged about it with his usual sense of class. He even painted the Koenigsegg silver badge blue! I repeat, BLUE!!! I doubt anyone who followed the build thread didn't raise an eyebrow or two when he revealed is "ballin'" choices and went on about them like he was some type of design genius. He owns more Mansorys than he owns brain cells.- The "compromising" ideas he had for promoting and driving the car were naive and out of touch. Koenigsegg is in a process of homologation and this guy wants to have a car that is not street legal, not delivered and not insured in his infinitely mature and responsible custody? He wants them to send him a uninsured "demo car" so he can take for a spin around the track? If he'd crashed it then the homologation would've been out the window and they'd be 1M in the hole. They must really regret not handing over a £1M to him based on a few threats and a handshake. He did prove himself to be a responsible gent of his word after all.
- And what type of idiot makes a 1M investment without driving the car beforehand? Who makes a judgment on a car that's not in final tune or software? A special kind of idiot, imo.
So where have we got this conclusion that BC isn't the most reliable source? How about the left side of our brains?
Edited by Tom73 on Wednesday 15th May 18:32
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