RE: Chris Harris video: R8 V10 vs 911 Turbo S vs GT-R

RE: Chris Harris video: R8 V10 vs 911 Turbo S vs GT-R

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Wills2

22,666 posts

174 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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GingerWizard said:


Sorry I only meant off the start line until the first braking point which would be about 200 meters before the f1 car braked. I was thinking more about the way it launches to 100mph....
But it's still not right matey, at the first braking point the F1 car will be doing 180+ given a 8 second run to the corner.

[Rocky mode on]it would be dropped like a bad habit. [Rocky mode off]

They're are so far apart you cannot compare them.



Motormatt

483 posts

217 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Froomee said:
Amirhussain said:
Alex said:
Litchfield GTR. 0-100mph in 5.7s! fk me.
+1!! Stupidly quick. Nissan absolutely smashed it with the GTR, eats up cars on road.
+2.

Seeing times and watching a video is one thing, watching one pull off next to you at the lights when your in something pretty quick is even more impressive.
I've witnessed a GTR (no idea if it was modified or not) doing a standing start from a toll booth on the M6 Toll, and was amazed at how quickly it dissapeared. Other traffic also indulging in a bit of 'spirited' accelleration away from the booths appeared to be standing still by comparison.

If I had the means, it would be a tough call between the GTR and the R8, but the GTRs ability to accommodate my Wife and 2 kids would mean I'd actually get to use it.

Litchfield GTR in Bayside Blue please.thumbup

DodoRacing

539 posts

206 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Enjoyed that a lot. But I would've liked to see the 997 GT2 RS as the fastest model from the last generation Porsches (although not for sale in 2013).

British Beef

2,191 posts

164 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Carl_Docklands said:
The GT-R in this vid is a monster but I do wonder what all that power does to the maintenance and general running costs in the long run, the standard GT-R's running costs as a track pony were already pretty fat.
I wonder what the cost of driving these GTRs, especially a modified one like this on the track are...
Im guessing between consumables (tyres, brakes and petrol) plus the accelerated service requirement, I would guess that a fun & very fast day at the track is going to set you back £2k, as ultimately this thing still weights near enough 2 Mt.

The GTR, can cover all bases, road and track day weapon, 2+2 convenience and 4wd all weather traction. HOWEVER, in reality it is too fast for the road and too heavy / expensive for regular use at the track. The slower R8 V10 makes sense to me, more fun (especially with manual box) and better sounding, and better looking.

NomduJour

18,986 posts

258 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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All-aluminium R8 is only about 150 kg lighter than a GT-R, anything of this ilk is going to eat tyres and brakes on track. As for too fast for the road, do you really think you'll be able to drive a V10 R8 (or a Turbo S) anywhere near its limits on the average road? They are all very quick cars, and they only go as fast as you make them.


kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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NomduJour said:
All-aluminium R8 is only about 150 kg lighter than a GT-R, anything of this ilk is going to eat tyres and brakes on track. As for too fast for the road, do you really think you'll be able to drive a V10 R8 (or a Turbo S) anywhere near its limits on the average road? They are all very quick cars, and they only go as fast as you make them.
I think that was the point. They're all "fast enough" for road driving and the Audi has other advantages (noise, throttle response, looks, etc.). Of course the Audi does have a huge practicality disadvantage.

TREMAiNE

3,904 posts

148 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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0-100 in 5.7...

That is honestly unbelievable when you think about it...

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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TREMAiNE said:
0-100 in 5.7...

That is honestly unbelievable when you think about it...
yes For a big heavy road car, it is rather obscene.

Wills2

22,666 posts

174 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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DodoRacing said:
Enjoyed that a lot. But I would've liked to see the 997 GT2 RS as the fastest model from the last generation Porsches (although not for sale in 2013).
RWD and manual wouldn't have helped, that GTR is monster no doubt about it.


NomduJour

18,986 posts

258 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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kambites said:
They're all "fast enough" for road driving
To drive any of them to their capabilities, it doesn't make an scrap of difference - they are all very quick, the difference between 7.something and 5.something to 100 mph is neither here nor there. It's a silly argument to say something is too fast for the road - drive a diesel Golf as fast as it will go and you'll get into trouble pretty quickly.

R8's V10 does sound awesome though.

Motormatt

483 posts

217 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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British Beef said:
I wonder what the cost of driving these GTRs, especially a modified one like this on the track are...
Im guessing between consumables (tyres, brakes and petrol) plus the accelerated service requirement, I would guess that a fun & very fast day at the track is going to set you back £2k, as ultimately this thing still weights near enough 2 Mt.

The GTR, can cover all bases, road and track day weapon, 2+2 convenience and 4wd all weather traction. HOWEVER, in reality it is too fast for the road and too heavy / expensive for regular use at the track. The slower R8 V10 makes sense to me, more fun (especially with manual box) and better sounding, and better looking.
I can see your point about the weight of the GTR having an impact on consumables and therefore cost for trackday use, but I think this video proves that weight has absolutely no bearing on its performance or the way it drives.
Cost is also relative, assuming your estimate of £2k is correct for a days track action, it would be too much for most. However, there are many people who wouldnt consider this a problem and I suspect these would be the same people who would spend that kind of cash on a modified GTR.

NomduJour

18,986 posts

258 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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anonymous said:
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Agreed that fast is not the same thing as enjoyable, but that's a given. Power-to-weight is surely linked to grip and traction in terms of what's enjoyable - low grip/traction and low power doesn't necessarily mean boring, high grip/traction and low power probably does. Saying that, I've found that 450+ bhp/tonne definitely is fun.

MikeGTi

2,497 posts

200 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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I want that GT-R! Immense!

Betty Cumberdale

163 posts

133 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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griffgrog said:
Not happy as a Porsche fan, but got to admit, I'd defo go with the R8.

Still not a Datsun man though...
Didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the video but I can't remember seeing a Datsun in it?

ruz316

109 posts

158 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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Glad to see the R8 and the GTR getting the accolades it deserves

and the Porsche being shown for what it is.... overrated

rimkah

1,057 posts

165 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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You could get a 996 turbo tuned for half the price of the GTR in the review, that would be quicker.

Pointless review

toppstuff

13,698 posts

246 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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rimkah said:
You could get a 996 turbo tuned for half the price of the GTR in the review, that would be quicker.

Pointless review
But it wouldn't be a new car would it?

By your argument, he could have thrown in an old Mitsubishi Evo or something. You miss the point completely.

No one looking at a £100k car is going to buy an old 996...

rimkah

1,057 posts

165 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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toppstuff said:
rimkah said:
You could get a 996 turbo tuned for half the price of the GTR in the review, that would be quicker.

Pointless review
But it wouldn't be a new car would it?

By your argument, he could have thrown in an old Mitsubishi Evo or something. You miss the point completely.

No one looking at a £100k car is going to buy an old 996...
True, however no one looking at a turbo s (which you cant buy anymore) is looking at a GTR. I certainly wasn't.

NomduJour

18,986 posts

258 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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rimkah said:
True, however no one looking at a turbo s (which you cant buy anymore) is looking at a GTR. I certainly wasn't.
A while ago, but when I went to the Silverstone day for those who had ordered a GT-R pretty much every car in the car park was a Porsche.

rimkah

1,057 posts

165 months

Friday 10th May 2013
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NomduJour said:
rimkah said:
True, however no one looking at a turbo s (which you cant buy anymore) is looking at a GTR. I certainly wasn't.
A while ago, but when I went to the Silverstone day for those who had ordered a GT-R pretty much every car in the car park was a Porsche.
talking about turbo s