RE: Chris Harris video: R8 V10 vs 911 Turbo S vs GT-R
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seefarr said:
I've not seen Harris look this wide-eyed since he was in the car with Francois Delecour!
I'd forgotten how funny that was. "I can't even begin to describe what he just did there." 
Brilliant video, this one.
The Litchfield GT-R is most impressive, and I'd give my right arm to own one.. but I think if I had to choose, I would rather own the Audi or the Porsche.. they'd just feel a bit more special, even if they were left behind in the GT-R's dust. And, being all boring and stuff, I would be concerned about long term reliability of the the GT-R in that state of tune.
Chris, your eyes when driving the GTR - your eyes! I couldn't help but laugh. Fantastic vid.
So folks, do you want a car that Harris can chat through a powerslide in, or one where he dries up out of sheer self-preservation?
Looks like GTR if you need the extra seats and possibly have something light for the track/weekend. Audi if you don't need the seats and you haven't room/time for a weekend toy. Porsche if you're a badge snob. Or wait for the 991 GT3 and see if that can compete on thrills (which it might well).
0-100 in 5.7s. Oh my. In a car your granny could drive to the shops, or you could take three mates to the pub in, at a pinch. Wow. Just wow.
So folks, do you want a car that Harris can chat through a powerslide in, or one where he dries up out of sheer self-preservation?
Looks like GTR if you need the extra seats and possibly have something light for the track/weekend. Audi if you don't need the seats and you haven't room/time for a weekend toy. Porsche if you're a badge snob. Or wait for the 991 GT3 and see if that can compete on thrills (which it might well).
0-100 in 5.7s. Oh my. In a car your granny could drive to the shops, or you could take three mates to the pub in, at a pinch. Wow. Just wow.
macky17 said:
Insane numbers but they don't add up to fun - GTR not particularly involving to drive once you get used to the performance (and you always do). R8 for me also.
Yeah, uninvolving is exactly the impression I got from Chris' expression and stunned silence whilst trying to control the GT-R.Of course, we all know they're Playstation cars, drive themselves etc, etc...
Stunning video Chris, really enjoyed it thanks, boy do these cars make me want more power my M3 will seem incredibly disappointing after watching those three destroy the Tarmac!
That R8 is really getting the rave reviews everyone I've read have praised it highly & who would say no to the other two?
Another example of why the manual gearbox is dying fast...which I still think is a big shame but you can't argue with the numbers dual clutches achieve.
That R8 is really getting the rave reviews everyone I've read have praised it highly & who would say no to the other two?
Another example of why the manual gearbox is dying fast...which I still think is a big shame but you can't argue with the numbers dual clutches achieve.
Good point re the dual clutch boxes that I don't remember seeing other people mentioning before. They are so smooth and quick, you can change gear mid-corner without upsetting the car and get better drive through the corner.
The first time I found myself doing this, I admonished myself as it is generally regarded as poor technique, but that stigma stems from the manual gearbox era where there was a very good chance that changing gear mid-corner would upset the car no matter how smooth and quick you were, simply because you have to dip the clutch.
Once you relearn how to drive with a good dual-clutch it is a different but equally fascinating experience on track. And that's before you even start talking about left foot braking...
The first time I found myself doing this, I admonished myself as it is generally regarded as poor technique, but that stigma stems from the manual gearbox era where there was a very good chance that changing gear mid-corner would upset the car no matter how smooth and quick you were, simply because you have to dip the clutch.
Once you relearn how to drive with a good dual-clutch it is a different but equally fascinating experience on track. And that's before you even start talking about left foot braking...
to all those questioning the reliability of the tuned GTR, did you even check what entailed tuning the engine to that stage? Not even revised internal components.... if the tuner warrants the remaps and their work, no problem! There's little more than a couple new turbos and a remap for a stage "5" as they call it...
The Stage 5 Power upgrade includes:
Forge front mounted intercooler with hard piping kit
Litchfield Turbo intake pipes
Litchfield 1,100cc Bosch Injectors
Twin fuel pumps
Litchfield Large Bore performance intake kit with larger MAF housing
90mm Milltek full exhaust system with 321 Stainless Steel Down Pipes
Improved boost control with custom Ecutek code
Revised ignition control, Variable Valve timing and Fuel maps
Reduced fuel consumption (especially on partial throttle conditions)
Increase in both power and torque across the whole rev range
Litchfield RACEROM Switchable maps for enhanced Economy mode and full Race mode
Litchfield Custom Launch Control settings when used with Gearbox Software upgrade
I've seen comments to the extent of the GT being uninvolving.... were we watching the same video? The journalist was s
tting bricks... yeah the car was really uninvolving
The Stage 5 Power upgrade includes:
Forge front mounted intercooler with hard piping kit
Litchfield Turbo intake pipes
Litchfield 1,100cc Bosch Injectors
Twin fuel pumps
Litchfield Large Bore performance intake kit with larger MAF housing
90mm Milltek full exhaust system with 321 Stainless Steel Down Pipes
Improved boost control with custom Ecutek code
Revised ignition control, Variable Valve timing and Fuel maps
Reduced fuel consumption (especially on partial throttle conditions)
Increase in both power and torque across the whole rev range
Litchfield RACEROM Switchable maps for enhanced Economy mode and full Race mode
Litchfield Custom Launch Control settings when used with Gearbox Software upgrade
I've seen comments to the extent of the GT being uninvolving.... were we watching the same video? The journalist was s
tting bricks... yeah the car was really uninvolving What was interesting was watching Chris struggle with the paddle shifters being column mounted on the Nissan versus wheel mounted on the Audi & Porsche. Seeing him physically having to take his hand off the wheel mid corner to reach for a change just looked wrong and unnerving. Mostly an issue when on track, but seeing as Ferrari still stick with column mounted, it's interesting seeing the manufacturer divide on where they should be mounted...
Macd355 said:
Evo timed a Veyron at 5.8s to 100mph and a standard GT-R at 8.4
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2386...
thats a first generation GTR I think the current standard models run a 6 and a bit seconds to 100.http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2386...
Presumably column-mounting paddle shifters is seen as a safety feature by manufacturers in that it prevents you changing gear while steering (see previous posts on this page re the safety or otherwise of this technique). I suppose this might only be an issue on old-gen slow-shifting transmissions.
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