RE: Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R: Spotted
Discussion
LongRat said:
Fresh R34s are worth lots, if nothing else because not many were made in the first place.
I personally really like the R32, and it isn't just about going as fast as possible. There's a great driving feel to be had from a Skyline, the degree of modification that can be done only diversifies how different cars drive. Mine's conservative on the power (450) but huge on brakes and fully upgraded suspension, massive amount of grip. Get the straight 6 turbo wail going and there's not much to match the fun. That's what it is all about!
That looks fantastic! I personally really like the R32, and it isn't just about going as fast as possible. There's a great driving feel to be had from a Skyline, the degree of modification that can be done only diversifies how different cars drive. Mine's conservative on the power (450) but huge on brakes and fully upgraded suspension, massive amount of grip. Get the straight 6 turbo wail going and there's not much to match the fun. That's what it is all about!
There's a lot of people posting in this thread that they would take the R34 GTR over the modern GTR because they prefer the way it looks,manual gearbox,favourite car in gran tourismo when they were a kid etc,etc.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
I don't think ANYONE is saying the older car is superior, or faster. That is really not the point! The older car is much more RARE, especially so with next to no miles. If you want a zero mile GTR R35 just go and buy one tomorrow. But find another near zero mile R34... No it cannot be done. Hence the price. In ten years time it will probably be the best example left in the world, if left alone. Mainly as this thread shows so many people would just use it. If left as it it will be worth £100k some day. Pretty simple really.
If you want a car to thrash, or be the fastest thing on the road this car is not for you. Go any buy an R35 for speed, or a normal used R34 etc if you want to use it.
If you want a car to thrash, or be the fastest thing on the road this car is not for you. Go any buy an R35 for speed, or a normal used R34 etc if you want to use it.
+1 
k-ink said:
I don't think ANYONE is saying the older car is superior, or faster. That is really not the point! The older car is much more RARE, especially so with next to no miles. If you want a zero mile GTR R35 just go and buy one tomorrow. But find another near zero mile R34... No it cannot be done. Hence the price. In ten years time it will probably be the best example left in the world, if left alone. Mainly as this thread shows so many people would just use it. If left as it it will be worth £100k some day. Pretty simple really.
If you want a car to thrash, or be the fastest thing on the road this car is not for you. Go any buy an R35 for speed, or a normal used R34 etc if you want to use it.
If you want a car to thrash, or be the fastest thing on the road this car is not for you. Go any buy an R35 for speed, or a normal used R34 etc if you want to use it.
Nedzilla said:
There's a lot of people posting in this thread that they would take the R34 GTR over the modern GTR because they prefer the way it looks,manual gearbox,favourite car in gran tourismo when they were a kid etc,etc.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
have been a passenger in a 600bhp+ R34 and it seriously scared the sYou are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
t out of me! and my mate who owned it. so much so that he sold it a few months later for fear of losing his life in it. it was a jap import and he had very little info on what mods it had done to it, but it certainly had launch control and an antilag system, big brake set up that pulled your organs out of your nose when pedal was stomped on, and some shiny looking suspension set ups.I've not sat in anything that moved as quickly as that car. and I've been in a few WRC cars!!
Driven both the R32 & R33 albeit only on a brief hoon but still loved both drives (the R32 is a personal fave as I love tho looks of it)
Not had the chance to sit or be driven in a GT-R so I can not compare.
Nedzilla said:
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
I can assure you that given the choice. I'd take an R32 over the lot of them! 
GrizzlyBear said:
Dagnut said:
V8RX7 said:
The entire point of a Skyline is to go fast.
As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
You don't think this will sell for 50k? If it sells for 50 its worth 50As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
The interesting bit comes when classics stop appreciating, some people are buying now with an expectation of increasing value, once values stop increasing and that expectation is taken away...
Edited by GrizzlyBear on Tuesday 21st May 16:33
Dagnut said:
GrizzlyBear said:
Dagnut said:
V8RX7 said:
The entire point of a Skyline is to go fast.
As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
You don't think this will sell for 50k? If it sells for 50 its worth 50As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
The interesting bit comes when classics stop appreciating, some people are buying now with an expectation of increasing value, once values stop increasing and that expectation is taken away...
Edited by GrizzlyBear on Tuesday 21st May 16:33
All the perceived premium you are paying is due to ultra low miles, so if you use it (which I expect many here would want to do) you destroy the additional value, so you are paying double for the low miles, but you can't use it without destroying its uniqueness, so why not get one with more miles for half the price and enjoy it?
Of course if it is bought as a speculative investment that is different, it will sit in a garage and rarely used, which seems a bit of a waste for a car like this, and of course with any speculation you have to accept downside risk as well as upside.
Anyway, that is just my take on cars like this, I only buy a car I intend to use and most importantly enjoy. Would I pay more for fewer miles? well... condition is king, but yes all things being equal I would pay a little more, but never double.
Anyway, when this car does find a buyer, I hope the new owner enjoys it; whatever price they end up paying.
Dagnut said:
They were 50k new , they have always been a rare car, a 50,000 mile example will cost you 25k so why wouldn't an unused example fetch 50k?
It will. I'd buy it tomorrow if I had the funds to invest. Far more interesting to have this on display than have money in the bank. Of course you'll then need another lesser example to thrash the hell out of too 
Nedzilla said:
There's a lot of people posting in this thread that they would take the R34 GTR over the modern GTR because they prefer the way it looks,manual gearbox,favourite car in gran tourismo when they were a kid etc,etc.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
I've owned an R34 and driven an R35. The R35 is a fantastically quick machine but I'd still pick the R34 You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
This car maybe more valuable due to its ultra low mileage and standard tune, but that doesn't make it desireable to anybody who would do anything other than keep it as a collector's item.
There is a good reason so few of these cars are left standard. They were designed to be after market tuned. That said I have never driven any of them! What are they like to drive??
There is a good reason so few of these cars are left standard. They were designed to be after market tuned. That said I have never driven any of them! What are they like to drive??
GrizzlyBear said:
The price when new is pretty much irrelevant. You say an R34 with 50K miles will cost £25K, so lower miles you will pay a bit more, but why double the price? just seems a bit arbitrary.
All the perceived premium you are paying is due to ultra low miles, so if you use it (which I expect many here would want to do) you destroy the additional value, so you are paying double for the low miles, but you can't use it without destroying its uniqueness, so why not get one with more miles for half the price and enjoy it?
Of course if it is bought as a speculative investment that is different, it will sit in a garage and rarely used, which seems a bit of a waste for a car like this, and of course with any speculation you have to accept downside risk as well as upside.
Anyway, that is just my take on cars like this, I only buy a car I intend to use and most importantly enjoy. Would I pay more for fewer miles? well... condition is king, but yes all things being equal I would pay a little more, but never double.
Anyway, when this car does find a buyer, I hope the new owner enjoys it; whatever price they end up paying.
You do pay a premium for ultra low mileage.. that's a simple fact of used cars and cars that collectors look for.All the perceived premium you are paying is due to ultra low miles, so if you use it (which I expect many here would want to do) you destroy the additional value, so you are paying double for the low miles, but you can't use it without destroying its uniqueness, so why not get one with more miles for half the price and enjoy it?
Of course if it is bought as a speculative investment that is different, it will sit in a garage and rarely used, which seems a bit of a waste for a car like this, and of course with any speculation you have to accept downside risk as well as upside.
Anyway, that is just my take on cars like this, I only buy a car I intend to use and most importantly enjoy. Would I pay more for fewer miles? well... condition is king, but yes all things being equal I would pay a little more, but never double.
Anyway, when this car does find a buyer, I hope the new owner enjoys it; whatever price they end up paying.
Dagnut said:
V8RX7 said:
The entire point of a Skyline is to go fast.
As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
You don't think this will sell for 50k? If it sells for 50 its worth 50As the new one goes much faster then how is the older slower one worth anything like the same amount ?
In 100 years I'll agree that a 100yr R35 might be worth the same as a 105yr R34 but right now realistically it's worth (ie what you could get at auction) less than £20k
If I sell a fool a £1 coin for £10 it doesn't make it worth £10 - it means I found a sucker.
I don't believe anyone has provided a single comparable example - show me a comparable previous generation car that has sold for the same price as a current generation car.
An R32 costing more than an R33 is irrelevant as arguably the R32 was better being lighter and having more history plus an R33 is not current.
Obviously some of the best classic cars can cost more than their current equivalents but they are very rare / very limited availability or very old.
An R32 costing more than an R33 is irrelevant as arguably the R32 was better being lighter and having more history plus an R33 is not current.
Obviously some of the best classic cars can cost more than their current equivalents but they are very rare / very limited availability or very old.
I'm not sure anyone really cares. It's a desirable car and made much more desirable to a collector by its very low mileage. £50k is also a UK price for a car which is currently for sale POA in Japan.
Here's a 254km V-Spec II Nur up for £76k in Japan: http://www.goo-net.com/usedcar/spread/goo/13/70005...
Here's a 254km V-Spec II Nur up for £76k in Japan: http://www.goo-net.com/usedcar/spread/goo/13/70005...
Nedzilla said:
There's a lot of people posting in this thread that they would take the R34 GTR over the modern GTR because they prefer the way it looks,manual gearbox,favourite car in gran tourismo when they were a kid etc,etc.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
Having been in both back to back, and having had a lot of of access to both cars, I can quite happily say I'd rather have the R34.You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
The GTR is an absolutely amazing car don't get me wrong, but it just lacks character. IMO, the R34 also looks better, and there's one hell of a lot more drama with the R34, the GTR just goes about its business in a very subtle fashion, whilst the R34 wants to rip your face off.
You are always told not to meet your heroes, but I did yesterday, and it made me want one even more - what a fantastic car.
Edited by Skylinecrazy on Wednesday 22 May 13:22
Nedzilla said:
There's a lot of people posting in this thread that they would take the R34 GTR over the modern GTR because they prefer the way it looks,manual gearbox,favourite car in gran tourismo when they were a kid etc,etc.
You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
Agree. Owned a midnight purple 400bhp R33GTR and a Bayside 522bhp R34GTR for 2 years. Preferred the 33... think the R34 was massively overated. Didn't think either were that quick to be honest. Fun to hussle thought and for a big car they did kinda shrink around you. You are basing your decision on pictures and a computer game and have probably never sat in either let alone driven them.
If you we're to drive them both back to back and asked to take you pick,trust me on this,you would very quickly have changed your mind.
They both had awful interiors, and were not that well made... AND people think the RB26 engine is 'bombproof' well it may be on a Playstation... but in real life its far from it!
The new GTR is on another planet to drive and looks far better to my eyes. I really fancy one. I would never have another R34 but I do think they will go up in value and £50k isn't as crazy as it first seems.
my old one from a magazine photoshoot.
Porkie said:
Preferred the 33... think the R34 was massively overated. Didn't think either were that quick to be honest
Had the discussion before, but there's fundamentally not a massive difference between them - if you like one, not sure how you could hate the other. If they were slower than you expected they can't have been making as much power as you thought - x bhp/tonne is x bhp/tonne no matter what car it's in.Agree that the R35 is light-years ahead (as it should be given that the previous GT-Rs' technology was from the late '80s).
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