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Just to clarify things, the MOBO's were not created to promote black music or to bring about some equality of coverage.
Rap,Hip hop, R&B etc are hugely popular in this country, the US and Europe and dont need the help of some 2nd rate fixed award ceremony, which all the other versions of award ceremonies really are as well.
The MOBO's were created inorder to remove some power and influence from the more established awards and give it to the producers of the MOBO's.
It is a commercial exercise simple as that, using the blanket of race and culture to hide this fact.
Rap,Hip hop, R&B etc are hugely popular in this country, the US and Europe and dont need the help of some 2nd rate fixed award ceremony, which all the other versions of award ceremonies really are as well.
The MOBO's were created inorder to remove some power and influence from the more established awards and give it to the producers of the MOBO's.
It is a commercial exercise simple as that, using the blanket of race and culture to hide this fact.
bor said:
What a fantastic thread - "racist","sexist" and "homophobic" in less than 1 page - where are bor and birdbrain ?
Deliberately used quotes as it`s not my opinion
Steve
Hey baby! Here I am. I was just crusing the GG, breaking in my new lentil flavoured sandals and what do I spy !
Q.When is the Music OF White Origin on ?
A.EVERY DAY of course !
I thought I'd already explained this before, was nobody listening to the BOR ?
These awards, whether for music or for acting are, or at least, were necessary due to the dominance of white in western music/film. Not necessarily due to racism of course, more like popular demand. If you were a white musician/actor in Calcutta, you might reasonably hold a MOWO award ceremony. It's simply a minority awards thing like "PHer of The Year". You wouldn't expect non-PHers to be interested or indeed care about PH awards.
But now the stinking, right-wing, jackboot wearing fascists have a BIG problem. Gansta rap is repulsive, misogynist,homophobic,violent excrement. But it has been attacked by that well known PH character Peter Tatchell, who has suceeded in having the more extreme of the Jamaican homophobe rappers expelled.
So who do you side with ? Tatchell the gayer or the non white music awards ?
I sympathise with your quandry.
Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. Despite what Greg Dyke would like us all to believe, approximately 92 per cent of people living in this country are white skinned. Of course there is a dominance of white influenced music, culture, policemen, actors, Doctors, MPs...
I must say that I really don't have a problem with the MOBO's... It is after all Music of black Origin and what genre's of music aren't actually influenced in some way by that...
This goes way back to the cotton picking days, when slaves sang in the fields to keep morale up..
Surely we can't have a problem with people keeping their own cultural identity.. or are we all turning into Alf Garnett?
I'm sure I'll be hammered with the our country our culture shite, but why can't we have diversity? surely that is part of the neopolitan society that is important..
Anyway, I thought the MOJO joke was a good one..
slinky
This goes way back to the cotton picking days, when slaves sang in the fields to keep morale up..
Surely we can't have a problem with people keeping their own cultural identity.. or are we all turning into Alf Garnett?
I'm sure I'll be hammered with the our country our culture shite, but why can't we have diversity? surely that is part of the neopolitan society that is important..
Anyway, I thought the MOJO joke was a good one..
slinky
Mon Ami,
did you just violently agree with me ? If 92% white vote 92% of the time for white music, then I don't see that as racist. Likewise if the remaining 8% want to have a minority awards ceremony then also not racist, simply matehematics.
I am to a degree, in agreement with my homeboy, De-Ree-Dogg, in that I think in this case, the proliferation of black music makes this ceremony redundant. If the participants think otherwise, then good luck to 'em. No skin off my nose.
The Saw Doctors
Dr.Feelgood
Dr.John
did you just violently agree with me ? If 92% white vote 92% of the time for white music, then I don't see that as racist. Likewise if the remaining 8% want to have a minority awards ceremony then also not racist, simply matehematics.
I am to a degree, in agreement with my homeboy, De-Ree-Dogg, in that I think in this case, the proliferation of black music makes this ceremony redundant. If the participants think otherwise, then good luck to 'em. No skin off my nose.
The Saw Doctors
Dr.Feelgood
Dr.John
bor said:
Mon Ami,
did you just violently agree with me ? If 92% white vote 92% of the time for white music, then I don't see that as racist. Likewise if the remaining 8% want to have a minority awards ceremony then also not racist, simply matehematics.
I am to a degree, in agreement with my homeboy, De-Ree-Dogg, in that I think in this case, the proliferation of black music makes this ceremony redundant. If the participants think otherwise, then good luck to 'em. No skin off my nose.
The Saw Doctors
Dr.Feelgood
Dr.John
Sort of. They don't vote for anything. Black culture is hugely over-represented in our society, not under represented. If anything I think there's more need for a new MOBO awards (Music of British origin). What rankles with me is the definition of colour in MOBO. Why should all black people and all white people (and all brown people) be damned to being pigeon-holed in arbitrary cultural cells? Does Lennie Kravitz play MOBO music? Slash is half black (and half British).
More should be done to educate our own people about our own culture, regardless of what colour skin they have. And to all the Blairite idiots who are now rushing to respond "what culture"
I say again, just because you are ignorant or deliberately dismissive of British culture, does not mean it doesn't exist. We are living in an age of cultural vandalism. I don't think there's anything wrong with the MOBO awards. I just think we should spend proportionately as much time looking at who we (the 92 per cent majority) are and where we come from and rediscover some pride in ourselves.
slinky said:
Surely we can't have a problem with people keeping their own cultural identity..
We (white British) seem to be - all the PC stories of 'can't celebrate Christmas in schools, in case it offends some other minority religion' etc etc. As Mon Ami put it, 'cultural vandalism'.
slinky said:
Sorry, just seen the Wiley track.. WHO ATE ALL THE PIES!!
I've been trying to tell my mates about this track for months. It's incredibly funny. Obviously it's an attempt to be metaphorical; having ones fingers in multiple pies, but it just ends up sounding crap.
"Oi blud, I swear there was like seven pies here y'know, and there's only two pies... what... wh'appen?"
Anyway, the MOBOS: Always a laughing stock, but this year was a disaster for the organisation, to be quite frank. This was their first year of coverage on the BBC. Headliners Pharrel and Kayne West, aswell as numerous other big-name acts pulled out.
Eamon, repsonsible for that wonderful track '
it' refused to attend because he felt personally insulted by having been nominated only for the best ring tone category. Best ring tone FFS!!!
The MOBO Awards have never done music of black origin any justice anyway and yet they continue to get worse each and every time. The fact that even I personally know people who performed at the awards speaks volumes IMO!
Nothing much to add except to concur with the idea that "music of black origin" is extremely well represented in popular music and culture so why there are awards like these, parading as champion of some music minority is beyond belief.
I'd also question who or what validates what music is of black origin? Is there a chart or a scale, tick boxes, what? Is there any music of purely black origin?
Oh, and, Doctor Beat, Miami Sound Machine.
I'd also question who or what validates what music is of black origin? Is there a chart or a scale, tick boxes, what? Is there any music of purely black origin?
Oh, and, Doctor Beat, Miami Sound Machine.
The banned 2 Jamaican rap acts from the MOBOs because of there homophobic lyrics.
Good to see that being "black" is no more inclusive than any other colour.
I am so bored with all these award ceremonies on the TV.
Soap Star of the Year - I mean please
Comedy Awards - Very funny...NOT
Q Awards - Lefty music mag arse licking more like
The Brits - Except for all the non-brit awards
TV Awards - My award is ....turn it off!
Blah, blah, blah.......
Good to see that being "black" is no more inclusive than any other colour.
I am so bored with all these award ceremonies on the TV.
Soap Star of the Year - I mean please
Comedy Awards - Very funny...NOT
Q Awards - Lefty music mag arse licking more like
The Brits - Except for all the non-brit awards
TV Awards - My award is ....turn it off!
Blah, blah, blah.......
Hip Hop and R&B is basically it these days.
There is a Reggae category too, but that's nothing more than watered-down softcore dancehall for the white middle-class classes. Mind you, neither is the R&B... Hip Hop is marginally more credible.
I would love to see a "best gospel act" award at the MOBOS, or something that truly does recognise the roots of black music. I wonder if Ladysmith Black Mombazo have ever won a MOBO...
I personally am glad we don't have a MOWO award or something similar - As far as I can tell the MOBOS are seen as nothing but a joke by all, including black music lovers.
Of course, the best thing that could happen would be for people to realise that music these days draws influences from so many different parts of the world, cultures and so on that there really is no point in issuing awards based on ethnic origin.
>> Edited by DanBoy on Thursday 7th October 10:43
There is a Reggae category too, but that's nothing more than watered-down softcore dancehall for the white middle-class classes. Mind you, neither is the R&B... Hip Hop is marginally more credible.
I would love to see a "best gospel act" award at the MOBOS, or something that truly does recognise the roots of black music. I wonder if Ladysmith Black Mombazo have ever won a MOBO...
I personally am glad we don't have a MOWO award or something similar - As far as I can tell the MOBOS are seen as nothing but a joke by all, including black music lovers.
Of course, the best thing that could happen would be for people to realise that music these days draws influences from so many different parts of the world, cultures and so on that there really is no point in issuing awards based on ethnic origin.
>> Edited by DanBoy on Thursday 7th October 10:43
slinky said:
This goes way back to the cotton picking days, when slaves sang in the fields to keep morale up..
slinky
surely that would be Gospel music or something like that. Really cant imagine some poor slave woman in the fields picking cotton singing about shooting and all the women waving their arses around in her new blingin pimpmobile with its new 45" rims?
I can't really see the point in the MOBO awards there only needs to be one set of awards for music and may aswell just make do with something like the MTV awards, gives white/ black / asian people all a chance of winning and seeing who is thought best surely that is the whole point of an award to recognise you are the best not that you are just the best black bloke/woman?
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