RE: Chris Harris video: Morgan vs Caterham
Discussion
FarmerJim said:
Outstanding video. Probably the Morgan for me, but the Caterham would be very welcome, too. The 3-wheeler experience looks like an extreme 4/4 Sport drive. I must have a go some time soon.
+1 - love my M3W which does redefine motoring. Don't have a Cat, but get similar thrills from a Westfield FW400, even though it does have a tuned K-Series engine! 
Yes, yes and thrice yes!
This is where a true Petrol Heads get what life is about whereas the rest of the world look on, tut and shake their heads.
Both of these get as near to the motorbike experience without the risk of impending death at every corner.
Excellent point regarding the liberation of your first car, taking in to consideration most of us with have driven fairly basic machinery. My first car was a Citreon 2CV6 in which I rapidly learnt all I needed to know about where the limit was at, understeer drifting, lift off oversteer etc, all at speeds not much over 40-50 mph. Its super thin wheels also made it epic (and epic fun) in the snowy winters dished up in the high peak. I still miss that car today but fear the exposure to heated leather seats, air con and cruise control will have dulled my senses.
The Casteram/Westfield set up is on my bucket list and will happen one day, hopefully soon. The Morgan is a really intersting proposition too, it much reminds me of a similarly configured kit car made available in the late 80's or early 90's IIRC which was silver and used Ren 5 Gordini wheels and looked just awesome. Cant remember the name of the machine but would have, and probably would consider even now, buying one on its looks alone.
Epic piece of journolism there Chris, made my day. Thank you.
This is where a true Petrol Heads get what life is about whereas the rest of the world look on, tut and shake their heads.
Both of these get as near to the motorbike experience without the risk of impending death at every corner.
Excellent point regarding the liberation of your first car, taking in to consideration most of us with have driven fairly basic machinery. My first car was a Citreon 2CV6 in which I rapidly learnt all I needed to know about where the limit was at, understeer drifting, lift off oversteer etc, all at speeds not much over 40-50 mph. Its super thin wheels also made it epic (and epic fun) in the snowy winters dished up in the high peak. I still miss that car today but fear the exposure to heated leather seats, air con and cruise control will have dulled my senses.
The Casteram/Westfield set up is on my bucket list and will happen one day, hopefully soon. The Morgan is a really intersting proposition too, it much reminds me of a similarly configured kit car made available in the late 80's or early 90's IIRC which was silver and used Ren 5 Gordini wheels and looked just awesome. Cant remember the name of the machine but would have, and probably would consider even now, buying one on its looks alone.
Epic piece of journolism there Chris, made my day. Thank you.
I've just watched the video again, and - for me - it just crystallizes everything I love about driving.
Sometimes, the car itself matters not in terms of speed. It's nice to have it at your disposal, but sometimes it's the interaction between hands / rack / tyres / tarmac that matters.
Sometimes, the car itself matters not in terms of speed. It's nice to have it at your disposal, but sometimes it's the interaction between hands / rack / tyres / tarmac that matters.
jeremyc said:
B'stard Child said:
I have a very fond memory of several passenger laps round the Hethel test track being terrified by PH'r JeremyC in his R?00 Caterham - was utterly blown away by how it embarrased everything as it flew round the track.....
I put it down to the driver
I put it down to the driver
It's an R400, or more correctly (before the Beards correct me) a SuperlightR.You definitely need to own one.
The other bit yes I do need to own one but it would have to have a pig iron six banger
I don't usually watch the CH videos because I've no interest in most modern cars.
Yes they are quick but they, in my mind, have no character, no soul, no 'thing' that you can't describe.
But I enjoyed this video for two reasons:
I have always loved 7s - as a 15yo school boy I had a passenger ride in one owned by s a guy that worked at Lotus.
It was the fastest thing I had every experienced and I loved it!
At about the same time in my life my school vicar had a two proper Morgan 3 wheeler (and 5 Brough Superior bikes) I was lucky enough to go to a Morgan 3 wheeler club meeting he held.
I got a passenger ride in a few of the cars - the one that I still remember to this day was a 2 speed car, air cooled V twin up front that was raced in period and at the time.
I asked how fast it was, as any teenager would do, answer about 60....in first gear!
Chris get yourself a drive in an old 3 wheeler and give us a video, please!
http://www.mtwc.co.uk/
Yes they are quick but they, in my mind, have no character, no soul, no 'thing' that you can't describe.
But I enjoyed this video for two reasons:
I have always loved 7s - as a 15yo school boy I had a passenger ride in one owned by s a guy that worked at Lotus.
It was the fastest thing I had every experienced and I loved it!
At about the same time in my life my school vicar had a two proper Morgan 3 wheeler (and 5 Brough Superior bikes) I was lucky enough to go to a Morgan 3 wheeler club meeting he held.
I got a passenger ride in a few of the cars - the one that I still remember to this day was a 2 speed car, air cooled V twin up front that was raced in period and at the time.
I asked how fast it was, as any teenager would do, answer about 60....in first gear!
Chris get yourself a drive in an old 3 wheeler and give us a video, please!
http://www.mtwc.co.uk/
Superb vid which really, really cuts to the heart of what such cars are about. Less really can be more; if you want real involvement, there's nowhere else to go.
I spent 15months searching for 'my' idea of the perfect Cat and ended the search somewhere I didn't expect - a Fisher Fury with an R1 engine. 160-165ish HP in 427 KG (fueled!) + 12K5 redline only accentuates the points made in the video; 3yrs later I'm not swapping it for anything
I spent 15months searching for 'my' idea of the perfect Cat and ended the search somewhere I didn't expect - a Fisher Fury with an R1 engine. 160-165ish HP in 427 KG (fueled!) + 12K5 redline only accentuates the points made in the video; 3yrs later I'm not swapping it for anything
Thoroughly enjoyable vid, and makes me wonder whether I should have recently spent my moola on a Caterham rather than a TVR!!
Just kidding. Loving the Griff. On which note and given the reason PH exists any chance of getting Harris in a TVR of some flavour??
Oh . . . Harris, you need to fill out your My Garage!!
Just kidding. Loving the Griff. On which note and given the reason PH exists any chance of getting Harris in a TVR of some flavour??
Oh . . . Harris, you need to fill out your My Garage!!
Dr JonboyG said:
hufggfg said:
Gloves?
Better than numb fingers. 
I hate driving in gloves (especially if the gloves are suede and the steering wheel leather - a super slippery combination!), but when it's cold they're absolutely essential in an open car otherwise your hands go numb and all the advantages of bare hands are lost. Mind you, I dislike driving in gloves so much that on winter track days I do 15 minute stints with no gloves on and then rush into the pits to warm my hands up again...From comments it would seem that both these cars are `Marmite cars' where people either `get' them or they dont. The reaction to them can it seems be polarised, with those who would never go in one, or want one, on the one hand, to those where once in them, a large crow bar or volume of explosives will be required to prize them out of it.
Its no good trying to explain to someone who has not been in one, how good they might be, if they dont `get' this type of vehicle. To them, the experience of being in a vehicle like these is likely to be a too hot / too cold, bumpy, windy, hair raising experience.
Its no good trying to explain to someone who has not been in one, how good they might be, if they dont `get' this type of vehicle. To them, the experience of being in a vehicle like these is likely to be a too hot / too cold, bumpy, windy, hair raising experience.
Superb cars and a superb video.
I'd love to have a drive in each.
http://mikepollitt.weebly.com/motor-sport.html
I'd love to have a drive in each.
http://mikepollitt.weebly.com/motor-sport.html
The one thing that really puzzles me with the press and the new Morgan 3 Wheeler is why no journalist ever compares it to the exquisite Triking 3 Wheeler ? For those that don't know the Triking it's been around for roughly thirty years, it was designed by an ex-Lotus draughtsman, Tim Divey. It's powered by a Moto Guzzi v-twin, it's physically a good bit smaller than the new Morgan, Infact much more of the size and shape of the original Morgan 3 Wheeler, and it's one of those cars that's been actively, but subtlety developed throughout it's production life. I'd guess it's pretty superb by now and much less in your face than Morgan's product.
darth_pies said:
longblackcoat said:
Genuinely not trolling here, but am I the only person who doesn't particularly enjoy Caterhams?
No. This guy moans about being cold and having his hair messed up every time he goes near one......but then i guess he's probably spent his career explaining in the pub that he only drives cars with a roof because he honestly prefers it.
What's your excuse?
But I've never got out of one and thought "I love that car" in the way I have with all sorts of other, lesser machinery. Give me a choice between, say, a Porsche 968 or any Caterham, and I'd go for the Porsche every time. It would be the same result with a well-sorted 205GTI. I know it's a cliche to talk about character, but for me the Caterham just doesn't have much. It's a very efficient machine, certainly, but one which I can respect without loving.
Edited by longblackcoat on Friday 31st May 08:52
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