RE: Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Fleet
Discussion
errek72 said:
I really don't get that GT-R focus. No I haven't driven it. Actually I have not recently driven a car with even half the horsepower.
As a daily I drive a eurobox diesel and when I'm not crawling in traffic I am already moving along faster than most others - with one foot on the brake, anticipating all the blind and erratically uncertain people driving cars.
So living in an urban area in the Western world, who would need a faster car? Except for Sunday early morning, but even then even a much slower car than a GT-R could never be driven anywhere near its limits on the public road. So what fun would that be? Prestige maybe - but everyone's looking at the car, not the person in it.
And then there's the obvious thing. It's really, really ugly. Big and ugly. I mean seriously ugly. Why is it that ugly?
With that argument no one would have a fast car? Maybe not everyone does all their driving in a congested city during rush hour?As a daily I drive a eurobox diesel and when I'm not crawling in traffic I am already moving along faster than most others - with one foot on the brake, anticipating all the blind and erratically uncertain people driving cars.
So living in an urban area in the Western world, who would need a faster car? Except for Sunday early morning, but even then even a much slower car than a GT-R could never be driven anywhere near its limits on the public road. So what fun would that be? Prestige maybe - but everyone's looking at the car, not the person in it.
And then there's the obvious thing. It's really, really ugly. Big and ugly. I mean seriously ugly. Why is it that ugly?
After owning a car with such a Ferrari V12 engine it is very hard to find a new purchase without being deluded, at least in engine compartment. Personally I don't think a better car for the money capable of giving similar sensation. To follow a 599 you certainly need to radically change kind of car.
Ashley1987 said:
bertie said:
What you saying?
Its a stupid thing to say. I think we should leave it at that.Or do people really think that they all do 25k in the first three years and then never leave the garage? Maybe all those mileage "correction" places just advertise for fun.
gck303 said:
Simond S said:
I am amazed that you bought a car from a dealer and sold it to a dealer and only suffered £6k loss.
In fact, I would like to call the custard test here. I would like to see a Ferrari bought and sold back to a dealer after ten months with this little depreciation on the paperwork.
It makes them just about the most economical sports car out there, either superb marketing from Ferrari or you truly are the worlds best car buyer.
I totally agree. There is NO way that a dealer could make money like that. In fact, I would like to call the custard test here. I would like to see a Ferrari bought and sold back to a dealer after ten months with this little depreciation on the paperwork.
It makes them just about the most economical sports car out there, either superb marketing from Ferrari or you truly are the worlds best car buyer.
That 6,000 must cover:
- loss in value of the car over that time
- costs of financing the car whilst it is in stock. (7% pa of 90,000), which is likely to be a couple of months
- A 20% VAT on the margin
- Sales person's commission
- Valet and other pre-sales costs
Indeed, lets see the paperwork. I would expect that a dealer would make a 20% margin on a vehicle, which would make the purchase/sales cost equal to 18,000 PLUS the depreciation over the year.
NomduJour said:
Ashley1987 said:
bertie said:
What you saying?
Its a stupid thing to say. I think we should leave it at that.Or do people really think that they all do 25k in the first three years and then never leave the garage? Maybe all those mileage "correction" places just advertise for fun.
That's a very bold assertion!
jakesmith said:
errek72 said:
I really don't get that GT-R focus. No I haven't driven it. Actually I have not recently driven a car with even half the horsepower.
As a daily I drive a eurobox diesel and when I'm not crawling in traffic I am already moving along faster than most others - with one foot on the brake, anticipating all the blind and erratically uncertain people driving cars.
So living in an urban area in the Western world, who would need a faster car? Except for Sunday early morning, but even then even a much slower car than a GT-R could never be driven anywhere near its limits on the public road. So what fun would that be? Prestige maybe - but everyone's looking at the car, not the person in it.
And then there's the obvious thing. It's really, really ugly. Big and ugly. I mean seriously ugly. Why is it that ugly?
With that argument no one would have a fast car? Maybe not everyone does all their driving in a congested city during rush hour?As a daily I drive a eurobox diesel and when I'm not crawling in traffic I am already moving along faster than most others - with one foot on the brake, anticipating all the blind and erratically uncertain people driving cars.
So living in an urban area in the Western world, who would need a faster car? Except for Sunday early morning, but even then even a much slower car than a GT-R could never be driven anywhere near its limits on the public road. So what fun would that be? Prestige maybe - but everyone's looking at the car, not the person in it.
And then there's the obvious thing. It's really, really ugly. Big and ugly. I mean seriously ugly. Why is it that ugly?
I can certainly see that car manufacturers -niche or not- are moving away from pure speed, bringing out fun sporty cars without that focus. It may also be why Honda and many others have not risen to the GT-R challenge; because their market research department tells them it is a dead end. The only company that seems to care is poor Porsche, since Nissan stole their tagline "supercar for everyday".
So if you like, black and white, I do think performance cars are bought for show, now more than ever before. The least Nissan could do is stop making the front of the GT-R looking like a baboon butt.
Small Car said:
I know the thread isn't about mileage correction, but I would love a clocker to publish an autobiography - it would be fascinating to know who and what is keeping them in full time employment...
My hat! I've returned to see how this originally interesting topic/thread is doing, and I've just read a whole load of rubbish, from the merits or otherwise of GTR's, traffic congestion, clocking and what car Chris will buy next.What happened to the original topic?
AndrewD said:
pagani1 said:
What a brave man.
May I suggest a classic for next time. A Maserati Bora or Khamsin or perhaps a Ferrari 288GTO?
You do know how much a 288 would cost? Not exactly same league as either a 599, Bora, or KhamsinMay I suggest a classic for next time. A Maserati Bora or Khamsin or perhaps a Ferrari 288GTO?
Well he posted this on twitter today.
@harrismonkey: How not to pine after your recently-sold 599, part II. http://t.co/9Vp9ywXbRz
http://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/34221324735...
@harrismonkey: How not to pine after your recently-sold 599, part II. http://t.co/9Vp9ywXbRz
http://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/34221324735...
pimpin gimp said:
And also this:
@harrismonkey: Way I see it, most fun driving is racing. Love old cars with no grip. Love 911s. So have bought this pre-305100 chassis '66 car with a mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJkYDol6vW8@harrismonkey: Way I see it, most fun driving is racing. Love old cars with no grip. Love 911s. So have bought this pre-305100 chassis '66 car with a mate.
Last year he raced a Giulia at the U2TC and Frankels Falcon in the Spa 6 Hrs race.
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