RE: Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Fleet

RE: Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Fleet

Thursday 30th May 2013

Ferrari 599 GTB: PH Fleet

The 599 has been sold and Chris has to confront the ugly face of man maths gone wrong



I feel I should adopt the livid, spittle-flecked expression of one J Nicholson before telling you what it is many of you really want to know about owning a 599 for 10 months - namely how much it actually cost. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

It's certainly not easy for me to digest.

At the outset I refused to divulge the exact price I paid for the car, but I can now tell you that the 599 has been sold and the costs are as follows. Brace yourselves.

You've had the dream bit, now comes the reality
You've had the dream bit, now comes the reality
The car depreciated £6,000 in 10 months, and this included me striking a good deal and buying a car with plenty of outstanding warranty, one which had been recently serviced. The monthly rental charges were £308.41, 10 of them make just over £3,000 and I had to throw a couple of tyres at it last summer. Factor in the insurance and that's £10,000 for around 3,000 miles. Now, how the hell can I justify this?

In pure monetary terms I can't. I basically called it wrong because I thought 599s looked great value last summer, but there are loads of them about and even if you have a decent relationship with your Ferrari dealer, as I do, then they quite understandably want their chunk of flesh on the way in, and the way out. Those coffee machines don't pay for themselves you know.

But it isn't quite as simple as the headline figures would suggest. There's also the cost of the major service the car is due and the warranty to factor in. The former is £1,990, so if we subtract that from the depreciation cost, and add the Power Train warranty renewal for £2,821 we reveal a less shocking figure. That last number appears absurd until you think just how much a new motor would cost if the unthinkable happened. Not that it would, these V12s appear to be very strong.

Help required to escape Harris's paddock...
Help required to escape Harris's paddock...
When we consider those two amounts within the depreciation sum, the number drops from £6K to less than £2K, leaving us with the truly spellbinding discovery that running a V12 Ferrari costs a sum not unadjacent to 'a sh*t load of money'. In other words, if I'd kept it, I would have spent £4.5K just to maintain the car as it was when I bought it. You learn something new every day folks.

Do I regret it?

Not at all. I expected to lose money on the car, perhaps not quite as much as I did, but I wanted to own and use a 599, have it parked in the garage primed for that early morning drive, and I have done just that. My only regret is that I didn't do more miles in it because I don't think it would have affected the value of the car too much, but it wasn't the most practical car to take on shoots so I couldn't use it as often as I would have liked.

It is testament to how special the car feels that regardless of what newer, potentially faster machine I'd been filming, the 599 always felt pathologically fast. In fact it never felt anything less than unhinged in second and third gears on UK roads. I loved the cabin, the shape and design of the seats, the vast yellow rev-counter. I loved climbing into it at night and blasting back from the airport when the roads were empty as it just chewed the miles like they were insignificant.

I never liked the gearbox. I learned to tolerate it, but driving a 458 back to back confirmed that this generation of automated manual 'boxes will be despised in future years. I can see 599s dropping even further because of the unfriendly transmission whereas the rare manual cars could end up being very valuable as the last manual V12 Berlinetta to leave the factory. Didn't DK Engineering flog one for some vast price recently?

It never failed to complete a journey (I know, hardly a skill in a £90K-ish motor, but my 612 was much more temperamental), the odd warning light burst into action but would soon disappear. I also found the integrated trickle charger thing to be completely incomprehensible but the lads at Dick Lovett reckoned it was operator error. My record in this area is not good, so I have to accept that might be the case.

Trickle charge tip helped keep the battery alive
Trickle charge tip helped keep the battery alive
With the 599 I felt I was actually involved in a relationship with an engine. So dominant is that lightly detuned Enzo V12 that it perfectly mirrored the time-worn cliche about Ferrari charging you all that cash for the motor and throwing the rest in for free. Of course this completely undersells the rest of the 599, but anyone who travelled in it just couldn't believe the sheer motive force of the thing, nor the noise it made with the exhaust valves wide open. To my shame I never went more than an indicated 190mph in it, but it was still pulling.

Even in an age of BMW Ms and AMGs, the fuel economy was tragic. I never saw more than 14mpg and this tumbled into single-figures if your right shoe moved within inches of the right pedal. But who cares? It's a V12 Ferrari.

The 599 was a practical car too. Compared to an F-Type, the boot was enormous, there was loads of space on the rear shelf for stuff to be strapped onto and the cabin always felt incredibly special. Apart from being faster than light, this is the 599's killer showroom appeal as a used car: sit in a 991 and then move to a used 599 and the difference in leather, ambience and design will immediately make many people want the Ferrari more.

And they will not be disappointed. It cost me a chunk of money I can't really justify, but I expected as much. I love cars, I wanted to own a 599 - not borrow a press car for a week - and that's the decision I made. I don't regret it for a minute.

The question now is, what next?


FACT SHEET
Car
: 2007 Ferrari 599 GTB
Run by: Chris Harris
Bought: July 2012
Mileage: 21,950
Purchase price: Move along...
Last month at a glance: Farewell to the 599, hello realisation of how much it's actually cost


Previous updates:
Rusty nuts and a flat battery - uh oh
Harris parks his Ferrari in the wrong sort of paddock
'The more expensive the motor, the more we forgive...'
PH Fleet Ferrari 599 GTB: Man + maths = 599

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suffolk009

Original Poster:

5,388 posts

165 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Just read this, straight after watching the Mog/Caterham vid.

This looks cripplingly unbelievably expensive, and I can't help but compare the 599 costs to buying and running a 7. Apples and oranges I know - but interesting timing of these posts.

MacG

318 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Financial warning duly noted. Thanks Chris. But I still want to do exactly the same when I can manage it!

Aftershox

397 posts

158 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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M135i? ;-)

MikeG88

148 posts

133 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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What is next?

I rekon he will buy a caterham or Morgan 3er

bertie

8,548 posts

284 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Compared to the year I had my 599 you got off very lightly!

Stokemon

76 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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GT-R.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Am I reading this correctly? 10 grand to own a 599 for 10 months?

That's only a grand a month- you could pay 600 a month to lease a 6 series.

Doesn't sound expensive at all (in terms of VFM)

Mad Chrissy

8 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Alfa Romeo SZ? They have to go up at some point!

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Stick the GTO badge on the end and you've one of the worlds most desirable cars (IMHO)

The F12 just doesn't do it for me like this does.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Maybe I'm just oblivious to the world of running a supercar, but £4,500 in maintenance for a year is entirely what I would expect you to have to pay...? I've sunk £1500 a year into keeping a Corrado on the road in the past just on servicing / maintenance so 3x that amount for a V12 Ferrari doesn't seem unreasonable.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Hang the cost, what a spellbinding car!

Next... Oh that's tricky.

twerpo

52 posts

131 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Manual F430


Doshy

825 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Motorrad said:
Am I reading this correctly? 10 grand to own a 599 for 10 months?

That's only a grand a month- you could pay 600 a month to lease a 6 series.

Doesn't sound expensive at all (in terms of VFM)
What he said.

Doshy

825 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Motorrad said:
Am I reading this correctly? 10 grand to own a 599 for 10 months?

That's only a grand a month- you could pay 600 a month to lease a 6 series.

Doesn't sound expensive at all (in terms of VFM)
What he said.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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While I admired Chris's courage, I never thought this would work out well.

In comparison, during Chris's ownership of the 599, this Ferrari went UP in value by around 10% by my estimation...



And these were only £50-60k a few years ago, now they are double that....



The depreciation and interest payments on finance paid out by Chris in recent years would easily have covered the outright purchase of one of these beauties. Imagine owning a Countach or a BB, finance free and unencumbered, driving and enjoying it and watching it appreciate... IMO these cars are more satisfying to own at every single level, from both a driving and financial perspective.




abarth130

257 posts

200 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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A nice F355 and an Integrale Evo2???

kbird

1,036 posts

207 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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V12V, I thought we had this conversation!

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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twerpo said:
Manual F430
Do these exist??

I say go older Ferrari, possibly a 355/360? You could make a series out of it, every summer = new (old) Ferrari!

I am in no way envious of your situation. curse

Ryvita

714 posts

210 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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I'm thinking the video timing is less than coincidental, particularly combined with the news piece about the new Caterham at 17K, and that "throwaway line" at the end about buying one...

Caterham. smile

stuckmojo

2,979 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th May 2013
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Next? Vanquish manual?