Cyclists!

[Transmat]

Nigel worcs will be along in a minute I'm sure of it. He hates cyclists too apparently.

[surveyor]

I don't mind cyclists, but they are very one minded...

One of the dog walks I use around here, is a tarmac path that runs through fields. Great for wet days as I don't get muddy, but the mutt gets his exercise.

Cyclists also use the track - not a problem with that. But they do insist at pelting down at high speed. Get in their way and you would get seriously injured. Kids and animals are on the path.

15 years ago when I was at Uni I was involved in a theoretical discussion which ran between our (fairly capitalist!) course, and some some students on a Environmental Town Planning course. The planners felt it to be perfectly safe to put a cycle path down the middle of a shopping precinct. These people will now be fairly senior in their profession!

[oyster]

MikeHull said:

I'm sure that this has been done to death, so sorry.

On my way home from work this morning, there was a cyclist in front of me. Clearly he was a V.I.C as red lights didn't apply to him. Nor did he feel the need to use the marked cycle lane either. I don't hate cyclists, but if they want to be treated the same as motorists, then should they not adhere to the same rules and laws?

I know some will say it's fine for him to go trough a red light, and maybe it is, but I aren't so sure.

Q: Do you ever, and I mean ever, break the speed limit?

A: No - I don't believe you.
A: Yes - You're a hypocrite and stupid.

Next thread please

[Gazzas86]

So... Just been looking around online, and spotted this video...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05e_1384263340

Basically lambo v cyclist, who was right / who was wrong??? Imo the cyclist didn't look when pulling out, blatantly knew the lambo was coming (just by hearing the dam thing), and theres no need to sit bang in the middle of the road...

Your thoughts.

[otolith]

Two knobheads aggravating each other.

[J4CKO]

Car drivers tend to run reds when they dont want to stop and steam through, you know, when you chance it and see, inexplicably another three cars have come through after you, kind of seen as fair game. However when they really have to stop, like when they know there are cameras or they will definitely have a huge accident and a cyclist steams through regardless they start shouting "REFEREE, LOOK AT HIM, HE WENT THROUGH ON RED" and the bottom lip starts going, not because they wouldnt do it, because they cant !

I don't do it on my bike, and it annoys me when other cyclists do as it causes this, but lets get it right, along with "Road Tax", the red light thing is nothing about not following rules, it is because they are perceived as getting away with something you cant in a car.

[Jagmanv12]

Easy, the cyclist is in the wrong. Highway code says stay to the left of the road.

[Urban Sports]

Gazzas86 said:

So... Just been looking around online, and spotted this video...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05e_1384263340

Basically lambo v cyclist, who was right / who was wrong??? Imo the cyclist didn't look when pulling out, blatantly knew the lambo was coming (just by hearing the dam thing), and theres no need to sit bang in the middle of the road...

Your thoughts.

The cyclist is in the wrong, he just pulls into the road casual you like on purpose because he's jealous of the Lamborghini driver, I wouldn't mind but they don't even pay road tax so should be well out of the way of road tax paying motorists.

[anonymous-user]

Urban Sports said:

The cyclist is in the wrong, he just pulls into the road casual you like on purpose because he's jealous of the Lamborghini driver, I wouldn't mind but they don't even pay road tax so should be well out of the way of road tax paying motorists.

Yes the cyclist is a moron but why assume he isnt also a motorist and thus has already paid VED on the car he owns? VED is calculated on emissions that the vehicle produces, when he is cycling, he is effectively paying for something that he isnt using given the car is in a garage somewhere...

Using your logic, any random car that produces <100g/km of co2 is also getting in your way...

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th November 20:32

[stick100]

MikeHull said:

I'm sure that this has been done to death, so sorry.

On my way home from work this morning, there was a cyclist in front of me. Clearly he was a V.I.C as red lights didn't apply to him. Nor did he feel the need to use the marked cycle lane either. I don't hate cyclists, but if they want to be treated the same as motorists, then should they not adhere to the same rules and laws?

I know some will say it's fine for him to go trough a red light, and maybe it is, but I aren't so sure.

I'm with you play by the rules of the road and be grateful you can use them for free
Cyclist should be more respect full to motorist who pay for the roads !

[paranoid airbag]

MikeHull said:

I'm sure that this has been done to death, so sorry.

On my way home from work this morning, there was a cyclist in front of me. Clearly he was a V.I.C as red lights didn't apply to him. Nor did he feel the need to use the marked cycle lane either. I don't hate cyclists, but if they want to be treated the same as motorists, then should they not adhere to the same rules and laws?

I know some will say it's fine for him to go trough a red light, and maybe it is, but I aren't so sure.

Would the same law mean it would be illegal to cycle in a cycle lane?

I'm not sure where you got this "same treatment" idea from. It's stupid, and I've only ever heard those who never cycle say it in order to demonstrate alleged hypocrisy: the term for this, I believe, is strawman.

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't we been over this? Cyclists want to be treated as motorists where it suits them to be, and differently when it offers them some advantage.



For balance, I imagine some motorists would like cyclists to be treated the same as them when they perceive cyclists have some advantage ("road tax" for example).

Does this suprise you? This seems logical to me, indeed the way any form of campaigning works, no?

The logical thing for cyclists to want is to be able to get around as quick as is reasonably possible, without harassment or injury, so long as their actions make it reasonably possible for others to do so (which, in general, is the same as "obey the law/highway code"). Thinking about it, that's also the logical thing for motorists to want.

However, from what I've seen on cycling and motoring forums, it's "motorists" - aka those who never or rarely cycle on the roads, rather than those who drive, according to this bizarre and stupid "motorists v cyclists" paradigm - who want a)the law to not apply to them , and b)arguments based more on equality of misery than anything else.

Edit: if you disbelieve me, check the post directly above mine. At the very least, it's "motorists" who seem to want to be able to espouse opinions without knowing what the law actually is.

But then, anyone who's critical of this on here is "a cyclist" rather than a motorist; the idea that more experience might make your conclusions better it is utterly foreign.

Edited by paranoid airbag on Tuesday 12th November 20:38

[Johnnytheboy]

My comment reads differently without heebeegeetee's post which I quoted included to which it was a response, more specifically a disagreement.

But you're probably right.

Edited by Johnnytheboy on Tuesday 12th November 20:53

[Mave]

Urban Sports said:

The cyclist is in the wrong, he just pulls into the road casual you like on purpose because he's jealous of the Lamborghini driver,

Agreed he's in the wrong, quite why he's done I don't know. Jealousy? An earlier incident? The guys estranged wife is driving? Who knows.

Urban Sports said:

I wouldn't mind but they don't even pay road tax so should be well out of the way of road tax paying motorists.

So you're saying that if he paid VED you'd be happy for him to prat around like that? So its not the behaviour of the cyclist that upsets you, it's that he's using the road on a vehicle for which he's paid no VED (even though he may have paid VED on a car in his garage).

Ergo if people don't pay VED they need to be careful, considerate, and law abiding on the roads. If they do pay VED they can do whatever they want. Unfortunately sums up the attitude of many motorists on the usual cyclist vs motorist threads

[Parsnip]

Mave said:

Ergo if people don't pay VED they need to be careful, considerate, and law abiding on the roads. If they do pay VED they can do whatever they want. Unfortunately sums up the attitude of many motorists on the usual cyclist vs motorist threads

It's fine. Cyclists do pay it. I paid it for them last time some mong mouthbreather brought up the "BUT THEY DON'T PAY ROAD TAX" thing - it cost me £0. Same as classics and the same as other £0 VED band cars. Cyclists of PH, you are welcome.

Although, I can see the appeal - as my Datsun is a high VED band car, does this mean I can make people in less polluting cars move out the way? This may be an advantage on the morning commute

[Mave]

Parsnip said:

Mave said:

Ergo if people don't pay VED they need to be careful, considerate, and law abiding on the roads. If they do pay VED they can do whatever they want. Unfortunately sums up the attitude of many motorists on the usual cyclist vs motorist threads

It's fine. Cyclists do pay it. I paid it for them last time some mong mouthbreather brought up the "BUT THEY DON'T PAY ROAD TAX" thing - it cost me £0. Same as classics and the same as other £0 VED band cars. Cyclists of PH, you are welcome.

Yeah, I know. Didn't want to get into the whole "yes but there is no such thing as road tax" arguement, just wanted to highlight the pervading attitude of "People who (I think) have paid road tax have more rights on the road than those who haven't" which seems to be the general attitude of a thankfully small but still significant minority.

[heebeegeetee]

Urban Sports said:

The cyclist is in the wrong, he just pulls into the road casual you like on purpose because he's jealous of the Lamborghini driver, I wouldn't mind but they don't even pay road tax so should be well out of the way of road tax paying motorists.

Will you pack it in?!

stick100 said:

I'm with you play by the rules of the road and be grateful you can use them for free
Cyclist should be more respect full to motorist who pay for the roads !

See? See what you did there?

[banteredbiker]

sandman77 said:

On my journey home from work today I saw a car going through a red light!!!! Who the hell do car drivers think they are?

They should all get together and sort out the bad apples in their group if they want to be taken seriously on the road

Urban Sports said:

The cyclist is in the wrong, he just pulls into the road casual you like on purpose because he's jealous of the Lamborghini driver, I wouldn't mind but they don't even pay road tax so should be well out of the way of road tax paying motorists.

That's why I pull over to let lorries pass in the car - they pay more VED than me so it's my civic duty to let them have priority.

[BGarside]

There's a epidemic of dheadery in Britain by people who in the past would have died through their own incompetence & lack of survival instinct and thus removed their genes from the gene pool. Now every moron gets to survive and pollute the gene pool...

This applies to cyclists and drivers.

Personally I blame the non-existent traffic policing in this country, which allows stupid, illegal behaviour to go unpunished which therefore allows the situation to deteriorate further, to the detriment of all road users...

[SteveSteveson]

BGarside said:

Personally I blame the non-existent traffic policing in this country, which allows stupid, illegal behaviour to go unpunished which therefore allows the situation to deteriorate further, to the detriment of all road users...

This... There are bad cyclists. There are bad drivers. IMO more needs to be done about both.

The biggest problem cyclists have is an image one, thanks to cycling pressure groups. To many of them with a holier than thou attitude.

The biggest problem car drivers have is talking nonsense. To much bollacks about pointing fingers and VED.

However can you imaging the uproar on PH if road rules were better enforced...

"How unfair! Some stupid nazi police officer stopped me doing 110 on the M40!"