What happens to number plates (when the car is scrapped)

What happens to number plates (when the car is scrapped)

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CYMR0

3,940 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Hugo a Gogo said:
what sort of car is it on?
The value you'd get at the end wouldn't just be the value of the car, but also the value of the plate.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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V8forweekends said:
I think the actual problem here is that DVLA don't want us to know just how bad their records are.

The truth is, they have no proper idea of how many vehicles are out there, what plates they have and who has them.

Due to this, they have a blanket policy of not re-issuing - even though developments in recent years have reduced the chances of duplicates appearing.

As an example, I have some plates for a V-suffix car in my garage. I also have the V5 and a small number of parts, but to all intents and purposes that car no longer exists, however, it's never been officially scrapped either - I have no intention of any wrongdoing, but if someone applied to re-use that number, they might find another car popping up with the same reg quite easily - DVLA would then have to get involved in adjudicating on who had the right to use the reg, and they can't even run the systems they have, never mind making things more complex.
But surely if someone applied for that reg DVLA would see on their system "ah! not registered as scrapped/exported so still attached to a car somewhere and potential to be put back on the road" = no cigar. Fair enough if the car (vin) has been recorded as scrapped/exported, then you can re-issue.

I do of course agree though that with it being a govt dept it's unlikely to ever happen.

Slow

6,973 posts

137 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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ZOLLAR said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
May not be completely correct but in order to retain the plate it needs to pass MOT and be taxed so if you could somehow get it through the MOT and TAX it they could remove the plate.
Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

173 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Slow said:
ZOLLAR said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
May not be completely correct but in order to retain the plate it needs to pass MOT and be taxed so if you could somehow get it through the MOT and TAX it they could remove the plate.
Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.
Fair enough, as said was unsure if correct perhaps correctly worded letters may work.

maurauth

749 posts

170 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Where do the batches of reg plates that they keep releasing at auction etc come from? I always thought they were scrapped cars?

Where do they come from? Just registrations that were never issued?

CYMR0

3,940 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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A car doesn't need an MoT to transfer, just tax. If the car has been on SORN for less than 12 months, and was never untaxed, you can still transfer.

So if the Granada in question was a pile of rust with a tax disc, it wouldn't have been an issue.

But if you start with a pile of rust, it won't get a tax disc until it's been through a successful MoT.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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CYMR0 said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
what sort of car is it on?
The value you'd get at the end wouldn't just be the value of the car, but also the value of the plate.
just wondering if it was a 'separate chassis' type of car, that might be easy to work around

crashley

1,568 posts

180 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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I have a motorbike with a private plate that is sorn and hasn't been taxed for a few years (it's effectively a trackbike) - do i risk losing this numberplate?

B'stard Child

28,397 posts

246 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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ZOLLAR said:
Slow said:
ZOLLAR said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
May not be completely correct but in order to retain the plate it needs to pass MOT and be taxed so if you could somehow get it through the MOT and TAX it they could remove the plate.
Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.
Fair enough, as said was unsure if correct perhaps correctly worded letters may work.
You are talking about different circumstances - very different

Senario A

My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?

Answer - Yes you've lost it unless you get it thro an MOT and tax it then no the plate can't be removed

Senario B

Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.

Answer - The MOT aspect is actually not essential if the car has been recently taxed or SORN'd no longer than a year.

MOT can be expired and plate transfer can take place - it's the Tax/SORN element that matters for cars that haven't been buried in a barn for eleventy million years

Different cases - completely different


CYMR0

3,940 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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crashley said:
I have a motorbike with a private plate that is sorn and hasn't been taxed for a few years (it's effectively a trackbike) - do i risk losing this numberplate?
Yes, if it's written off having been on SORN over 12 months.

However, if you can put an MoT on it at some stage in the future and thereby make it road-legal, you'll retain the plate.

Slow

6,973 posts

137 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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B'stard Child said:
ZOLLAR said:
Slow said:
ZOLLAR said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
May not be completely correct but in order to retain the plate it needs to pass MOT and be taxed so if you could somehow get it through the MOT and TAX it they could remove the plate.
Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.
Fair enough, as said was unsure if correct perhaps correctly worded letters may work.
You are talking about different circumstances - very different

Senario A

My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as thecost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?

Answer - Yes you've lost it unless you get it thro an MOT and tax it then no the plate can't be removed

Senario B

Family friend has a Granada cosworth with a private plate on it, failed MOT miserably. Few letter with dvla regarding this situation and the fact it hasn't been scrapped, they got the plate off it.

Answer - The MOT aspect is actually not essential if the car has been recently taxed or SORN'd no longer than a year.

MOT can be expired and plate transfer can take place - it's the Tax/SORN element that matters for cars that haven't been buried in a barn for eleventy million years

Different cases - completely different
So a dodgy mot is the only way to get the plate then pretty much?

loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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In 1993 I had a red Vauxhall Belmont 1.3 L the registration was D226TTN
It was stolen smashed up over the common and burned out,
If I check that same reg number now it shows not taxed since 1997
1200 Astra in white ? So how has that happened ?

Magog

2,652 posts

189 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Hugo a Gogo said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as the cost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
what sort of car is it on?
6230cc 1966 Rolls Royce apparently so either a Phantom V or a Silver Shadow.

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Slow said:
So a dodgy mot is the only way to get the plate then pretty much?
No, an MOT is, it doesn't have to be a dodgy one.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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loose cannon said:
In 1993 I had a red Vauxhall Belmont 1.3 L the registration was D226TTN
It was stolen smashed up over the common and burned out,
If I check that same reg number now it shows not taxed since 1997
1200 Astra in white ? So how has that happened ?
The most likely explanation? Your memory's dodgy. The dealer that sold your Belmont new would have had a batch of DxxxTTN plates. 226 went on an Astra, 225 or 224 or 227 or whatever was on your Belmont.

loose cannon

6,030 posts

241 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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No still have pictures of it and the spare keys with the dealer fob with the reg number, also have piccys of it torched over the woods, i no the plates of all my previous cars I'm a bit sad like that tbh

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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V8forweekends said:
I think the actual problem here is that DVLA don't want us to know just how bad their records are.

The truth is, they have no proper idea of how many vehicles are out there, what plates they have and who has them.
They ain't psychic. They can only go by what people tell 'em.

If somebody forgets to send the docs back in when they break a car themselves, with the shell being weighed in at the metal yard - or it gets shoved in a barn and forgotten - how are DVLA meant to know that?

There's a pic been going around the Landy groups on FB this week of a 1950s s1 half-buried in long grass, totally derelict. The VERY desirable plate is still showing as registered, but untaxed since 1980. All the parts to restore that Landy are available, and would cost FAR less than the plate is worth. What, exactly, should DVLA have done with that apart from keep it on the books? If the physical plates had fallen off, then somebody cleared that land with a bulldozer and just ploughed the remains in, how would DVLA know that?

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
They ain't psychic. They can only go by what people tell 'em.

If somebody forgets to send the docs back in when they break a car themselves, with the shell being weighed in at the metal yard - or it gets shoved in a barn and forgotten - how are DVLA meant to know that?

There's a pic been going around the Landy groups on FB this week of a 1950s s1 half-buried in long grass, totally derelict. The VERY desirable plate is still showing as registered, but untaxed since 1980. All the parts to restore that Landy are available, and would cost FAR less than the plate is worth. What, exactly, should DVLA have done with that apart from keep it on the books? If the physical plates had fallen off, then somebody cleared that land with a bulldozer and just ploughed the remains in, how would DVLA know that?
Of course I'm not suggesting the DVLA could or should be psychic. Ideally, we'd have tighter rules and proper enforcement - a bit like the local DMV system in the USA, but no system's going to be perfect. My point was that the data they hold is patchy at times - as you have pointed out.

The Moose

22,847 posts

209 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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It's easy enough to get a hooky MOT, then tax it and job jobbed.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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V8forweekends said:
Ideally, we'd have tighter rules and proper enforcement
Well, for something that hasn't been on the road since 1980 to still be on the record, somebody's almost certainly requested a replacement V5C at least once, with all the various re-issues that are about.

If it'd been last taxed after 1998, it should have been SORNed. Until 2013, SORN expired every year, so there was an incentive for people to "kill" (on paper, at least) anything that was never going to see the road again.

Of course, even if the paperwork for that Landy had timed-out or been bopped on the head... the vehicle still exists. It's still entitled to that plate. But what if the plate had been assumed dead, and re-issued? Does the owner of the Landy restore it at twice the value of the vehicle, then find the plate's now on retention somewhere? Does the Landy's owner get some recompense for the plate having been taken off 'em?