What happens to number plates (when the car is scrapped)
Discussion
maurauth said:
Where do the batches of reg plates that they keep releasing at auction etc come from? I always thought they were scrapped cars?
Where do they come from? Just registrations that were never issued?
Exactly. All 'single letter first', virtually all 'double letter first' and most 'triple letter first' combinations were issued, but there were loads that were never 'reversed' - this only happened in the mid to late 50s when councils were running out of numbers. As for suffix & prefix reg numbers, there are millions never issued (eg, 'AAA' was only ever issued with a C, J, R & V suffix).Where do they come from? Just registrations that were never issued?
From the mid 80s, obviously 'good' combos were also withheld for future sale, although I would guess most of those have gone now.
If you know a plate has never been issued (number plate geeks like me or Mr Reg on here have books that can tell you) you can ask DVLA to put the plate into an auction.
crashley said:
I have a motorbike with a private plate that is sorn and hasn't been taxed for a few years (it's effectively a trackbike) - do i risk losing this numberplate?
I'd speak to DVLA sharpish - looking at a couple of other comments you may get lucky, but you should really have put it on retention when you decided to stop riding it on the road. Good luck!V8forweekends said:
Slow said:
So a dodgy mot is the only way to get the plate then pretty much?
No, an MOT is, it doesn't have to be a dodgy one.Not condoning then driving the car, but just to get a plate.
TooMany2cvs said:
Well, for something that hasn't been on the road since 1980 to still be on the record, somebody's almost certainly requested a replacement V5C at least once, with all the various re-issues that are about.
If it'd been last taxed after 1998, it should have been SORNed. Until 2013, SORN expired every year, so there was an incentive for people to "kill" (on paper, at least) anything that was never going to see the road again.
Of course, even if the paperwork for that Landy had timed-out or been bopped on the head... the vehicle still exists. It's still entitled to that plate. But what if the plate had been assumed dead, and re-issued? Does the owner of the Landy restore it at twice the value of the vehicle, then find the plate's now on retention somewhere? Does the Landy's owner get some recompense for the plate having been taken off 'em?
I'm not sure what your point is. Personally, I couldn't care less as I don't have any interest in having any reg other than the one a car comes with. If we had a more rigorous regime, recycling the plates would be easier to do, because there would be a bit more certainty of which were "live" and "dead". For my part, I'd rather we had a vanity system like the US where you can have a locally issued vanity plate (Americans aren't shy about calling them what they are). That would stop people from feeling the need to bugger around with letters and numbers, but it would play havoc with the reg industry as it currently exists.If it'd been last taxed after 1998, it should have been SORNed. Until 2013, SORN expired every year, so there was an incentive for people to "kill" (on paper, at least) anything that was never going to see the road again.
Of course, even if the paperwork for that Landy had timed-out or been bopped on the head... the vehicle still exists. It's still entitled to that plate. But what if the plate had been assumed dead, and re-issued? Does the owner of the Landy restore it at twice the value of the vehicle, then find the plate's now on retention somewhere? Does the Landy's owner get some recompense for the plate having been taken off 'em?
Slow said:
V8forweekends said:
Slow said:
So a dodgy mot is the only way to get the plate then pretty much?
No, an MOT is, it doesn't have to be a dodgy one.Not condoning then driving the car, but just to get a plate.
Magog said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
Rangeroverover said:
My Ex in laws had 7BMW its on a car that is still sitting in the garage at their home undriven since 1979, the car will never be restored to usable state as the cost would be prohibitive, presumably they have lost it forever?
what sort of car is it on?A Phantom V would surely always be worth restoring?
CRA1G said:
Plastic chicken said:
Does that mean that if a 'plate like A1, Dav 1D, Aud 1 etc. etc. happened to be on a car that was written off...would the number plate die with it?
No,if a car is written off the number can be transferd immediately,if stollen you have to wait a year before you can claim it back to transfer.
V8forweekends said:
Personally, I couldn't care less as I don't have any interest in having any reg other than the one a car comes with.
No, but if you were hacking back the weeds on a corner of your newly-acquired land, and found a heap of long-forgotten and thoroughly rotten s
te with a £100k plate on it, and a £50k restoration gave you the ability to transfer it off...TooMany2cvs said:
V8forweekends said:
Personally, I couldn't care less as I don't have any interest in having any reg other than the one a car comes with.
No, but if you were hacking back the weeds on a corner of your newly-acquired land, and found a heap of long-forgotten and thoroughly rotten ste with a £100k plate on it, and a £50k restoration gave you the ability to transfer it off...Here's one, I discovered that a guy in a nearby village has a really cool plate that I want to buy. But it's not a private plate, just a standard issue one that he has no affection for (which happens to read like my favourite rock band).
It's an '11' plate. I also have a standard issue '11' plate (on a car I am just about to scrap shortly, as I unfortunately wrote it off last Friday - good news is that it still has MOT, and can still move under it's own power, at least for another month or so). He is happy to swap plates (if I pay all fees, plus eg £500 to get his plate).
How can we do this?
It must be possible, right? The DVLA rules have probably been made with private plates in mind - but on form V317 it does not specify that the plate to be kept or moved has to be private.. It seems to me same rules apply, so that's the basis I'm working on. Has anyone tried all this just for regular plates?
Having read up a bit, I figure: first I apply via form V317, to keep my plate, or to move it direct to the other guys car, prior to scrapping my car. Question: what happens then, how can I scrap a car that has no registration plate linked to it anymore?
(Do I have to buy a 'dummy' cheap private plate that nobody wants, move it onto mine, retain my old one, then scrap the car under the new plate?).
.. Or the other guy has to sell the plate to me first (he might be reluctant to do this, unless my replacement, or a private one, is ready). What happens to his car after he has done that.. He'll have no plate (unless I already assigned mine to him - but in this case, would he have to apply to retain his plate first, to avoid killing that plate when the new one is assigned, then sell the retained plate?).
Help! It's complicated, since the order we do this is probably very important!
First thing I need to do is apply to keep my plate number, as this might be important to the deal (but as I said, that would leave the car with no registration, so I would be scrapping a plate-less car - which I just don't get how that works). Will that result in my plate being turned private, will I get a V750/778 retention document to keep?
.. Or maybe i never do this, I get the guy to keep his plate, assign the dummy private one to his car, then he sells me his kept plate, I assign it to my vehicle, then i apply to keep that, before finally scrapping my car (with same question, how to scrap a plate-less car).
All your help is greatly appreciated!
It's an '11' plate. I also have a standard issue '11' plate (on a car I am just about to scrap shortly, as I unfortunately wrote it off last Friday - good news is that it still has MOT, and can still move under it's own power, at least for another month or so). He is happy to swap plates (if I pay all fees, plus eg £500 to get his plate).
How can we do this?
It must be possible, right? The DVLA rules have probably been made with private plates in mind - but on form V317 it does not specify that the plate to be kept or moved has to be private.. It seems to me same rules apply, so that's the basis I'm working on. Has anyone tried all this just for regular plates?
Having read up a bit, I figure: first I apply via form V317, to keep my plate, or to move it direct to the other guys car, prior to scrapping my car. Question: what happens then, how can I scrap a car that has no registration plate linked to it anymore?
(Do I have to buy a 'dummy' cheap private plate that nobody wants, move it onto mine, retain my old one, then scrap the car under the new plate?).
.. Or the other guy has to sell the plate to me first (he might be reluctant to do this, unless my replacement, or a private one, is ready). What happens to his car after he has done that.. He'll have no plate (unless I already assigned mine to him - but in this case, would he have to apply to retain his plate first, to avoid killing that plate when the new one is assigned, then sell the retained plate?).
Help! It's complicated, since the order we do this is probably very important!
First thing I need to do is apply to keep my plate number, as this might be important to the deal (but as I said, that would leave the car with no registration, so I would be scrapping a plate-less car - which I just don't get how that works). Will that result in my plate being turned private, will I get a V750/778 retention document to keep?
.. Or maybe i never do this, I get the guy to keep his plate, assign the dummy private one to his car, then he sells me his kept plate, I assign it to my vehicle, then i apply to keep that, before finally scrapping my car (with same question, how to scrap a plate-less car).
All your help is greatly appreciated!
Saabgod said:
Here's one, I discovered that a guy in a nearby village has a really cool plate that I want to buy. But it's not a private plate, just a standard issue one that he has no affection for (which happens to read like my favourite rock band).
It's an '11' plate. I also have a standard issue '11' plate (on a car I am just about to scrap shortly, as I unfortunately wrote it off last Friday - good news is that it still has MOT, and can still move under it's own power, at least for another month or so). He is happy to swap plates (if I pay all fees, plus eg £500 to get his plate).
How can we do this?
It must be possible, right? The DVLA rules have probably been made with private plates in mind - but on form V317 it does not specify that the plate to be kept or moved has to be private.. It seems to me same rules apply, so that's the basis I'm working on. Has anyone tried all this just for regular plates?
Having read up a bit, I figure: first I apply via form V317, to keep my plate, or to move it direct to the other guys car, prior to scrapping my car. Question: what happens then, how can I scrap a car that has no registration plate linked to it anymore?
(Do I have to buy a 'dummy' cheap private plate that nobody wants, move it onto mine, retain my old one, then scrap the car under the new plate?).
.. Or the other guy has to sell the plate to me first (he might be reluctant to do this, unless my replacement, or a private one, is ready). What happens to his car after he has done that.. He'll have no plate (unless I already assigned mine to him - but in this case, would he have to apply to retain his plate first, to avoid killing that plate when the new one is assigned, then sell the retained plate?).
Help! It's complicated, since the order we do this is probably very important!
First thing I need to do is apply to keep my plate number, as this might be important to the deal (but as I said, that would leave the car with no registration, so I would be scrapping a plate-less car - which I just don't get how that works). Will that result in my plate being turned private, will I get a V750/778 retention document to keep?
.. Or maybe i never do this, I get the guy to keep his plate, assign the dummy private one to his car, then he sells me his kept plate, I assign it to my vehicle, then i apply to keep that, before finally scrapping my car (with same question, how to scrap a plate-less car).
All your help is greatly appreciated!
Does the other chap want your number plate then ? If you just want his number plate and he is not bothered what's on his car all you have to do is get him to put it on retention with you as the nominee or transfer it to your new car. DVLA will issue an age (11) related plate to his car. no need to do anything else. It's an '11' plate. I also have a standard issue '11' plate (on a car I am just about to scrap shortly, as I unfortunately wrote it off last Friday - good news is that it still has MOT, and can still move under it's own power, at least for another month or so). He is happy to swap plates (if I pay all fees, plus eg £500 to get his plate).
How can we do this?
It must be possible, right? The DVLA rules have probably been made with private plates in mind - but on form V317 it does not specify that the plate to be kept or moved has to be private.. It seems to me same rules apply, so that's the basis I'm working on. Has anyone tried all this just for regular plates?
Having read up a bit, I figure: first I apply via form V317, to keep my plate, or to move it direct to the other guys car, prior to scrapping my car. Question: what happens then, how can I scrap a car that has no registration plate linked to it anymore?
(Do I have to buy a 'dummy' cheap private plate that nobody wants, move it onto mine, retain my old one, then scrap the car under the new plate?).
.. Or the other guy has to sell the plate to me first (he might be reluctant to do this, unless my replacement, or a private one, is ready). What happens to his car after he has done that.. He'll have no plate (unless I already assigned mine to him - but in this case, would he have to apply to retain his plate first, to avoid killing that plate when the new one is assigned, then sell the retained plate?).
Help! It's complicated, since the order we do this is probably very important!
First thing I need to do is apply to keep my plate number, as this might be important to the deal (but as I said, that would leave the car with no registration, so I would be scrapping a plate-less car - which I just don't get how that works). Will that result in my plate being turned private, will I get a V750/778 retention document to keep?
.. Or maybe i never do this, I get the guy to keep his plate, assign the dummy private one to his car, then he sells me his kept plate, I assign it to my vehicle, then i apply to keep that, before finally scrapping my car (with same question, how to scrap a plate-less car).
All your help is greatly appreciated!
The same would happen if you retained your number plate, it would be given an age related mark that has not been issued.
If you want to swop numbers you just transfer your numbers to each others car
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