RE: Chris Harris video: Porsche 911 GT3

[jimmyone]

Ved said:

Can't put my finger on a reason but that left me bored and indifferent. I like Porsches, especially 991s but that does nothing for me.

I'll hand my nuts in on the way out.

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WHAAAAAATTT!!!!!

[Mr Whippy]

Bezza1969 said:

Its only a tiny percentage of enthusiasts who want a manual and many of the people who actually buy these cars, rather than road test them or lust after them, want flappy paddles....

Very true.

But what of the people in 5-10 yrs time who are more lusty/enthusiast types?

I take it that the residual values of these new cars will be nowhere near as good as old models, more so because of the higher volumes to be sold.


Most people I know with flash used cars are really into their cars and know exactly what they want. I don't think any appreciate automatic sports cars.

Dave

[Nile Rodgers]

So according to Chris the electronic steering is much better on this model. He also mentions that this improvement is the result of software, not hardware changes. What do the PHers think the chances are of an aftermarket upgrade available for Boxter/Cayman/Carrera that provides similar feel, weight etc?

[deepvolleymaster]

Nice video Chris!! Performance looks massive and manual gearbox would hinder the cars ability!
GTR,458 have moved the game on a couple of levels now, maybe 458, GTR, Turbo and this GT3 are just too fast for the road and obviously if you loose control in the upper reaches of its performance envelope your going to either get lots of adrenaline or have a bump!

[Mr Whippy]

Nile Rodgers said:

So according to Chris the electronic steering is much better on this model. He also mentions that this improvement is the result of software, not hardware changes. What do the PHers think the chances are of an aftermarket upgrade available for Boxter/Cayman/Carrera that provides similar feel, weight etc?

Steering feel is as much about the tyre and all the suspension kinematics as it is anything else.

It'll be the entire car that is better set up for feel that then permeates throughout the car.


To upgrade other cars would need a full re-calibration of the mapping from the ground up assuming when they say software they mean the look up tables, and possibly new software as well if the entire software is re-written to just be better (I'd not be surprised if Porsche are new to EPS in the last few years)

I doubt the after-market will enter that area... it'd be a first if they did.

Dave

[roystinho]

I've not experienced a 911 for a while, but just been out in a 991 C4S with the sport exhaust, PDK and a whole lot of oh my gods.

I can't even begin to imagine how good this GT3 must be. Makes me a little sad that I'll never be able to afford either for a while

Great vid - again

[Mermaid]

roystinho said:

I've not experienced a 911 for a while, but just been out in a 991 C4S with the sport exhaust, PDK and a whole lot of oh my gods.

I can't even begin to imagine how good this GT3 must be. Makes me a little sad that I'll never be able to afford either for a while

I expect they will make plenty, so sooner than you think.

[roystinho]

Mermaid said:

roystinho said:

I've not experienced a 911 for a while, but just been out in a 991 C4S with the sport exhaust, PDK and a whole lot of oh my gods.

I can't even begin to imagine how good this GT3 must be. Makes me a little sad that I'll never be able to afford either for a while

I expect they will make plenty, so sooner than you think.

My fingers and toes are crossed

[rosino]

Nile Rodgers said:

So according to Chris the electronic steering is much better on this model. He also mentions that this improvement is the result of software, not hardware changes. What do the PHers think the chances are of an aftermarket upgrade available for Boxter/Cayman/Carrera that provides similar feel, weight etc?

I think that will be for the 991.2

And again, I might get boring.. but the steering of a 991 is really not that bad. All these people complaining about it without leaving their armchair and having never driven one. Mine in 5k of miles has really not been bad at all, quite the opposite. If you want lack of feel get into a E92 M3, the 991 is a world apart.

And since i have had the 5mm spacers + new Geo done by my OPC it's feel even more feelsome (albeit that might just be in my head). The truth is the 991 is not in your face all the time like a GT3 RS would be, but it can be pretty intense when you go all in for it on a proper back road.. and i find it rewarding, PDK included (best paddle shift I have EVER tried btw, it sends the DCT of the M3 left for dead..).

I might be in the minority by I think the 991 is so good that I will not take up the GT3 RS I almost bought yesterday.. and instead get into a 991 GT3 with it's awful PDK box. I guess the RS will be better enjoyed by somebody who really needs RAW experience every second of the drive. I like to chose which mood I am in.

[twerpo]

rosino said:

Nile Rodgers said:

So according to Chris the electronic steering is much better on this model. He also mentions that this improvement is the result of software, not hardware changes. What do the PHers think the chances are of an aftermarket upgrade available for Boxter/Cayman/Carrera that provides similar feel, weight etc?

I think that will be for the 991.2

And again, I might get boring.. but the steering of a 991 is really not that bad. All these people complaining about it without leaving their armchair and having never driven one. Mine in 5k of miles has really not been bad at all, quite the opposite. If you want lack of feel get into a E92 M3, the 991 is a world apart.

And since i have had the 5mm spacers + new Geo done by my OPC it's feel even more feelsome (albeit that might just be in my head). The truth is the 991 is not in your face all the time like a GT3 RS would be, but it can be pretty intense when you go all in for it on a proper back road.. and i find it rewarding, PDK included (best paddle shift I have EVER tried btw, it sends the DCT of the M3 left for dead..).

I might be in the minority by I think the 991 is so good that I will not take up the GT3 RS I almost bought yesterday.. and instead get into a 991 GT3 with it's awful PDK box. I guess the RS will be better enjoyed by somebody who really needs RAW experience every second of the drive. I like to chose which mood I am in.

In Germany I've driven the 997 and 991 back to back and the standard 991 "yours has been tweeked" is just not anywhere as good as the 997's. maybe the RHD cars are different but in LHD the 991 is pants in comparison to the 997.
Wouldn't buy a 991 I ended up with a pdk 3.6 997. even on the autobahn it's more than capable and on the twisty swiss roads the smaller engine means more fun and more of a drivers car up into the revs. loverrrly. I do miss it.

[rosino]

Strange, i had a 997.1 S which is often referred to as the purest 997 non GT experience.. and must say that organic feeling aside.. I enjoy the 991 so much more it's not even funny.

Noise, turn-in, comfort, infotainment, power, traction.. it's all so much better I cannot comprehend why somebody would prefer the 997. Organic steering feeling aside that is, but am happy to trade that in against the rest. It's one generation moved on.

I cannot wait to get into the GT3. It will be best of both worlds.

[Gary C]

urban_alchemist said:

It's funny - last few months it became a possibility that I'd be able to buy a car of this price in the next twelve months. Shortlist was GT3 or AM V12 Vantage. Was leaning towards the Vantage because of the manual transmission. Now, in the space fo a few weeks, they've both gone automated manual only.

What's left for us that want purity? Seems those at the cheaper end of the spectrum (GT86) have a much better time than those slightly further up the ladder.

Hum gt86 to gt3 seems more than slightly up the ladder, at least in terms of cost

[caraddict]

Evo does Best of GT3s group test: http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/289996/pors...

[Gary C]

rosino said:

Organic steering feeling aside that is, but am happy to trade that in against the rest. It's one generation moved on.

Now that's an interesting comment and I suppose it highlights something about the 911.

For some its an everyday super car that can actually be driven in all weathers, to anywhere. To others it's a weekend special that has hidden depths and rewards talent.

And to many it's both. Quite incredible.

Just hope VW does not destroy this in a frenzy of technology.

[Clivey]

To be honest, I usually find that I agree with Chris Harris with regards to personal preferences and vehicle dynamics. - We appear to like the same things. However, I still wouldn't buy a PDK 911.

It might be a technological masterpiece...but if I wanted that, I'd buy a GTR.

It might be fast around a track...but if I wanted that, I'd buy an Atom / Radical / X-Bow.

It might be a comfortable GT...but if I wanted that, I'd buy an Aston / Maserati.

If I want a 911, I want the 911 character and there are certain expectations that go with that. A manual gearbox is integral to the experience. - Remove that and the 911, quite frankly, is dead to me.

[MHig]

Ironic that there is so much comment about the switch to electric power steering when the new GT3 has a hydraulic system.....for the rear wheels!
There cannot be many cars which use both types of assistance?
Makes me wonder why they did not just use hydraulics throughout and get back to the famous "feel" of the earlier models.

[jimmyone]

MHig said:

Ironic that there is so much comment about the switch to electric power steering when the new GT3 has a hydraulic system.....for the rear wheels!
There cannot be many cars which use both types of assistance?
Makes me wonder why they did not just use hydraulics throughout and get back to the famous "feel" of the earlier models.

progress ?

[anonymous-user]

MHig said:

Ironic that there is so much comment about the switch to electric power steering when the new GT3 has a hydraulic system.....for the rear wheels!

according to porsche "The system comprises two electro-mechanical actuators, which are used at the left and right side of the rear axle instead of the conventional control arms."

[Cobnapint]

Saw this beauty going up the hill at the GFOS today. I was viewing it on the section just after the flint wall, and all I can say is - wow. It looked easily as quick as the Le Mans cars and far more composed in the process.

[danp]

Not sure why they are so much later, but here is Evo's vid for anyone interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocSjiJbevaU