RE: Exhaust fakery: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
A Maserati MC12 is an offender of the 'fake tips' brigade, except it has a fake back box per side, infact the exhaust ends approx 12" from the rear of the car, the tips of the real exhaust identical to that of an Enzo, these in turn flow into a box, with the tail pipes you see exiting the vehicle at the rear...
I'm guessing you didn't know that...
I'm guessing you didn't know that...
PH said:
contrived start-up blips with the system fully open before closing the valves and settling down to a quiet idle are especially objectionable (see Porsche, Ferrari, etc).
It's kind of hard to close a vacuum operated solenoid valve before building up vacuum from running the engine. Unless we want a few seconds of listening to a vaccum pump before start up?The start up noise is also a consequence of the fail safe mode being open. Unless you want to risk your engine melting you pretty much have to have an entirely non-contrived start up yelp. I suppose you could just have a silencer large enough to handle peak gas flow, but then the EU won't let you fit an exhaust valve just for noise any more, so it'll be quiet all the time.
Do we still hate the noise now we understand why it's there?
loudlashadjuster said:
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! Bad exhausts can ruin a car. Completely*.
My personal bête_noire is the E46 M3 - four pipes are bad enough when considering Rule 1, but this is an M3 so we make allowances.
However, the boys from Bayern have left insufficient space in between the two pairs and as a result it looks awful, like they couldn't make their mind up. Compare with the E39 M5 which shows judicious spacing for four pipes.
Agree that the spacing is important.My personal bête_noire is the E46 M3 - four pipes are bad enough when considering Rule 1, but this is an M3 so we make allowances.
However, the boys from Bayern have left insufficient space in between the two pairs and as a result it looks awful, like they couldn't make their mind up. Compare with the E39 M5 which shows judicious spacing for four pipes.
Here's my Z4MC with the same straight six found in the e46 M3 - yet they've widened the spacing and it doesn't look bad.
Although they were a bit quiet for me, so I've put some slightly larger/louder ones on.
Before/after comparison...
About 22 years ago I was travelling with a colleague/work mate, heading home on our daily commute from a design office in Derby.
Working in the Rail vehicle design industry, I was a little supprised by a comment from my always oppinionated mate as he pointed out the ugly cut outs cat manufacturers had in their bumper trims to accomodate exhaust pipes.
"Why cant they design them into the bumper with suitable trim and exhaust pipe ends" etc.
Seemed like only a year or so later that his observation started to appear.
The point is that this is a fairly new area for car builders to focus some attention on.
Yes a 4 pot with twin or even 4 end pipes seems stupid and maybe, as pointed out, might simply be to commonise materials across a model range.
My Tuscan has the motor bike cans which I have wondered about for quite a few years now. Problem is that because of the long underslope of the rear end, piping the exhaust far enough out with a normal pipe can look silly with this type of body design.
There are a few that have done it and I'm yet to see one that works for me.
E-type had the same problem and its probably the only are of that beautiful car that makes me think otherwise.
So to some up, Its my mate Steve's fault. Maybe he should have ran a patent.
Working in the Rail vehicle design industry, I was a little supprised by a comment from my always oppinionated mate as he pointed out the ugly cut outs cat manufacturers had in their bumper trims to accomodate exhaust pipes.
"Why cant they design them into the bumper with suitable trim and exhaust pipe ends" etc.
Seemed like only a year or so later that his observation started to appear.
The point is that this is a fairly new area for car builders to focus some attention on.
Yes a 4 pot with twin or even 4 end pipes seems stupid and maybe, as pointed out, might simply be to commonise materials across a model range.
My Tuscan has the motor bike cans which I have wondered about for quite a few years now. Problem is that because of the long underslope of the rear end, piping the exhaust far enough out with a normal pipe can look silly with this type of body design.
There are a few that have done it and I'm yet to see one that works for me.
E-type had the same problem and its probably the only are of that beautiful car that makes me think otherwise.
So to some up, Its my mate Steve's fault. Maybe he should have ran a patent.
How about another exception that should be mentioned. The Mk2 MR2 has only 4 cylinders but has a single exit on either side. I like it and think that all of the single exit pipes I've seen look naff and fall foul of the Italian drooping fag rule. So whilst I agree with the majority there are a few exceptions to every rule!
I would add that I have no objections to twin exit exhausts on any car with decent bhp as long as the exhausts make a nice noise. I have two ears, I would therefore like to hear that noise in stereo.....
Another addition. It should be compulsory for all diesel exhausts to point downwards. I look on it as them hanging their heads in shame at the toxic muck they have to produce.
Another addition. It should be compulsory for all diesel exhausts to point downwards. I look on it as them hanging their heads in shame at the toxic muck they have to produce.
Amen to that. As far as exhausts are concerned form should follow function, and a functional exhaust always looks great to me (ok so polishing the tip isn't funtional, but that's alowed as no one likes a rusty brown pipe!).
All the best follow this rule and some great exhamples referenced in here! The F40 twin bank + central 'screamer' pipe must be one of the all time greats any which way you view it! Ban the 'zorst fakery I say.
All the best follow this rule and some great exhamples referenced in here! The F40 twin bank + central 'screamer' pipe must be one of the all time greats any which way you view it! Ban the 'zorst fakery I say.
pingupro said:
What about if it fits the aesthetics of a car i.e. the 8th gen Honda Civic which has triangle exhaust trims and would look ridiculous with anything else. Obviously a very rare exception.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/parsco88/20...
Quick fun fact (not!) the derv models have exhausts that turn down to point at the floor before they reach the triangles. The triangles are purely for show.petrols exit through the triangles and as a consequence you can often tell what model is what because the diesel has perfectly clean triangles and the petrols eventually get covered in black. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/parsco88/20...
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