Remember this guy? Well, he died.

[Amirhussain]

This was always going to happen, live by the sword, die by the sword.
I admit I did like his videos, nice M5 too, my favourite M5 model.

[DKS]

Strewth, his 3rd gear synchro was fked!

[StottyZr]

Pablo68 said:

k-ink said:

The replies on this thread have made me rethink even coming on this site any more. Really lost for words at the level this place has sunk to.

Sorry? You think driving recklessly at high speed sideways into on coming traffic through crowded city streets with total disregard for everyone else and endangering countless innocent bystanders is in some way a good thing?

I'm going to throw it out there and say this post is re-enforcing k-inks point.

Where did he say anything at all like that?

[B'stard Child]

Driver is a tool end off.
















but I'm really impressed with the abuse the E34 M5 took

[JaiAE86]

Despite his rather skilled yet ludicrous antics in that M5, he is still a human being and I'm sorry to hear that he died.

[wijit]

k-ink said:

The replies on this thread have made me rethink even coming on this site any more. Really lost for words at the level this place has sunk to.

I love that the fact this idiot could have killed others with his mindless driving has completely gone past you, and you decide the moral high ground is best!
He drove like a total tool in busy town centres, thereby risking the lives of countless innocent folk (ie; those who were crossing roads, or driving on them as you should expect) and yet you come across as being more concerned that he gets called for it?
He is undoubtedly a loss to his family and friends but to the rest of the world his passing is our gain.

[spadgm]

It's a shame he didnt express his love for cars and driving in a more constructive way.
Too many close shaves for completely innocent road users in his vids.

[vsonix]

crosseyedlion said:

crabbit said:

Agreed. But answer my question

Did he deserve to die?

Well, if he was in those built up areas using a different weapon just as threateningly, he'd (hopefully) be shot dead by the police or shot and committed to a mental institution as a danger to society. Lets not forget it wasn't just once.

Using that logic, I would reluctantly have to say yes.

Its not the same as waving a gun around in public, its the same as firing it at people and trying to miss.

Actually in one video I saw of him hooning about like an idiot, a passer-by was brandishing a large silver handgun!
I'd link the clip but I saw it embedded in another website not directly on YouTube and I'm having trouble finding it again. It was from a news report and most of the text was in Georgian. It seems he was lauded as a bit of a national hero out there, interviews on national TV and all sorts.

[Jamirecluse]

Very like the Thatcher debate. Whatever somebody has done there is no need to celebrate any death. Poor taste.

[james280779]

having personally delivered a number of death messages- this one wouldnt have been too hard in all honesty.

Only once before have I not been bothered but I reckon this would have been number two.

[22rgt B Squadron]

Theres no 'skill' involved here for those that seem impressed. Guy was just a complete bellend and the roads are a lot safer without him..

[J4CKO]

james280779 said:

having personally delivered a number of death messages- this one wouldnt have been too hard in all honesty.

Only once before have I not been bothered but I reckon this would have been number two.

I really hope you are a Policeman then !

He was a knob, could have just been a crash, could have killed other people, millions of people die every day through no fault of their own, he chose to take risks with his and others safety for a bit of YouTube glory, he didn't give a flying fk about you, was quite happy to scream through a crossing you were on so no sympathy whatsoever.

[Transmat]

StottyZr said:

I'm going to throw it out there and say this post is re-enforcing k-inks point.

Where did he say anything at all like that?

Were didn't he? Let him explain what he meant, I'm sure he can speak for himself.

[V8RX7]

Jamirecluse said:

Whatever somebody has done there is no need to celebrate any death. Poor taste.

There are plenty I'd happily celebrate.

Hitler would seem the most obvious one to start with.

[StottyZr]

Transmat said:

StottyZr said:

I'm going to throw it out there and say this post is re-enforcing k-inks point.

Where did he say anything at all like that?

Were didn't he? Let him explain what he meant, I'm sure he can speak for himself.

He already has, read his posts in this thread his position on the death was made clear on the very first page.

Then somebody claims he's an advocate of street racing its all getting a bit Daily Mail around here.

[mrmr96]

Blakewater said:

In terms of the difference between safe and unsafe driving, most people would probably say the line is drawn where the law stands. Some of us may push the boundaries beyond the law.
The law and those who enforce it do, on the whole, recognise just how much danger people are posing when they break the law. If you break the speed limit slightly on an empty motorway the police will look the other way or just have a word with you. Break the speed limit past a school at 3.30pm and you'll be looking at a fine and points on your licence. Get caught driving like this guy and you'll lose your licence and be sent to jail. The law doesn't equate a little speeding whilst otherwise driving in a controlled manner on a quiet road with drifting at high speed on a busy town centre road, so why are some people on here seemingly suggesting they're the same?

I assume that's picking up on my comments from yesterday.

I think you, like a number of people on this thread, are missing my point. That probably means I've not explained it properly.

The point I was making was that, as you acknowlege, not all law breaking is acceptable. Some is and some isn't. My question was "where do you draw the line?". The reason this is a difficult question is because everyone has a different idea of an acceptable risk, and what's acceptable to one person is unacceptable to another.

I'll try to give some examples:

Activity	Glady's opinon	Laws opinon	Jo Average opinion	Some PHers opinion	Guy in video opinion
Overtaking at 60 in a loud car	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Doing 75 on the motorway	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Getting a dab of oppo	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Getting fully sideways in a town centre	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable

So since different people have different opinions on what's acceptable risk and what isn't - how do we determine what's OK and what isn't? Who will some posters 'wish death upon' (!) If you don't use 'The Law' then what do you use? Anything else seems a bit arbitrary.

Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 25th June 10:11

[danjama]

I saw the clip of the chap crossing the road with a handgun too. Had to rewind a few times to check and check again. Definitely nearly ran over a chap with a gun.

fk me i'm glad I was born in Britain.

[mike9009]

mrmr96 said:

I assume that's picking up on my comments from yesterday.

I think you, like a number of people on this thread, are missing my point. That probably means I've not explained it properly.

The point I was making was that, as you acknowlege, not all law breaking is acceptable. Some is and some isn't. My question was "where do you draw the line?". The reason this is a difficult question is because everyone has a different idea of an acceptable risk, and what's acceptable to one person is unacceptable to another.

I'll try to give some examples:

Activity	Glady's opinon	Laws opinon	Jo Average opinion	Some PHers opinion	Guy in video opinion
Overtaking at 60 in a loud car	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Doing 75 on the motorway	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Getting a dab of oppo	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable	Acceptable
Getting fully sideways in a town centre	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Unacceptable	Acceptable

So since different people have different opinions on what's acceptable risk and what isn't - how do we determine what's OK and what isn't? Who will some posters 'wish death upon' (!) If you don't use 'The Law' then what do you use? Anything else seems a bit arbitrary.

Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 25th June 10:11

I 'think' I get what you are trying to say.

Different countries have different laws, so is it safe for a german driver to do 155mph around the M25? (rhetorical question....)

Can I ask YOU one question... Do YOU think his driving on a public road is acceptable? ( 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice)

Mike

[mrmr96]

mike9009 said:

Can I ask YOU one question... Do YOU think his driving on a public road is acceptable? ( 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice)

No.

[Rollcage]

mrmr96 said:

mike9009 said:

Can I ask YOU one question... Do YOU think his driving on a public road is acceptable? ( 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice)

No.

Nobody in their right mind could POSSIBLY think his driving was acceptable on a public road, ever.

It would be frowned upon at most trackdays!