Powder coated wheels - safety issue
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TheRealFingers99 said:
ging84 said:
when i painted my wheels i got a reasonable amount of paint on the back
after a good hard run this did indeed soften on one of the wheels and cause the wheel bolts to be slightly loose
after a couple of days of thinking i had a drive shaft on it's way out i was spared any expense by adding half a turn to each wheel bolt.
hardly anyone died because of this incident
As he says!after a good hard run this did indeed soften on one of the wheels and cause the wheel bolts to be slightly loose
after a couple of days of thinking i had a drive shaft on it's way out i was spared any expense by adding half a turn to each wheel bolt.
hardly anyone died because of this incident
Any coating will soften or fret over time. You just need to retorque. Simples. Had it recently on an ARB I'd painted. "Why are the drop links rattling"? Ah, paint......
Anyone who doesn't think this is dangerous needs their head examined.
Output Flange said:
Captain Muppet said:
I had a wheel fall off once. It was about eight corners from "what's that noise?" to the wheel falling off. I was heading for the pits at walking pace when it came off.
Two corners to get from AOK to that ^^^
That's the third lap of the day, with the nuts checked just before going out.
Mave said:
Trying to trivialise this incident with a flippant "hardly anyone died" comment doesn't take away the safety issue. The guy was driving around with a wheel loose enough to presumably hear or feel it; and he was doing that for days, not just around the block, and the implication is that it happened while he was driving hard.
Anyone who doesn't think this is dangerous needs their head examined.
But surely the danger is someone not doing what everyone should do -- torque up the wheels, drive for 50 miles or so, re-torque. And check regularly thereafter. Anyone who doesn't think this is dangerous needs their head examined.
The driver is responsible for all aspects of vehicle safety, the track driver especially so.
TheRealFingers99 said:
But surely the danger is someone not doing what everyone should do -- torque up the wheels, drive for 50 miles or so, re-torque. And check regularly thereafter.
The driver is responsible for all aspects of vehicle safety, the track driver especially so.
This isn't gradual loosening over time, this is sudden loosening when your wheel gets hot. You could check your torque every 50 miles for a week, and then lose it in 5 miles the first time you get the joint hot.The driver is responsible for all aspects of vehicle safety, the track driver especially so.
Mave said:
I imagine you'll struggle to convince a live TV audience that it's safe to drive around at high speed for a few days with loose wheel bolts.
That will be easy. The hard part will be convincing people that it's their responsibility to check the wheel bolts in the first place.Mave said:
This isn't gradual loosening over time, this is sudden loosening when your wheel gets hot. You could check your torque every 50 miles for a week, and then lose it in 5 miles the first time you get the joint hot.
Then, knowing that, wouldn't you get the boogers hot and torque them? Or even get your hands dirty and scrape off the powder coating from the disk face? Seems to me that kid with loads of money takes ill prepared car on track, end of story.........TheRealFingers99 said:
Mave said:
This isn't gradual loosening over time, this is sudden loosening when your wheel gets hot. You could check your torque every 50 miles for a week, and then lose it in 5 miles the first time you get the joint hot.
Then, knowing that, wouldn't you get the boogers hot and torque them? Or even get your hands dirty and scrape off the powder coating from the disk face? Seems to me that kid with loads of money takes ill prepared car on track, end of story.........The OP was trying to educate people about the issue he experienced. He didn't know what might happen because no-one explained it to him. It may be the driver's responsibility to keep his car safe, but he can only do that if he understands the risk.
Saying "torque it up every 50 miles" doesn't mitigate the risk. Neither does "get the boogers hot and torque them" because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
mwstewart said:
Mave said:
I imagine you'll struggle to convince a live TV audience that it's safe to drive around at high speed for a few days with loose wheel bolts.
That will be easy. The hard part will be convincing people that it's their responsibility to check the wheel bolts in the first place.Mave said:
I wouldn't just leave them with paint on; but you were agreeing with the viewpoint that there was nothing to worry about, its OK to let them loosen off, just torque them up when you feel something is wrong, no-one will be hurt.
The OP was trying to educate people about the issue he experienced. He didn't know what might happen because no-one explained it to him. It may be the driver's responsibility to keep his car safe, but he can only do that if he understands the risk.
Saying "torque it up every 50 miles" doesn't mitigate the risk. Neither does "get the boogers hot and torque them" because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
Hardly -- for the first point. The OP was trying to educate people about the issue he experienced. He didn't know what might happen because no-one explained it to him. It may be the driver's responsibility to keep his car safe, but he can only do that if he understands the risk.
Saying "torque it up every 50 miles" doesn't mitigate the risk. Neither does "get the boogers hot and torque them" because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
I can't really speculate on the OP's motives. Sounded like a winge. The safety aspects of paint and powder coating are mentioned on just about every motor sport forum.
[quote]......because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Mave said:
I wouldn't just leave them with paint on; but you were agreeing with the viewpoint that there was nothing to worry about, its OK to let them loosen off, just torque them up when you feel something is wrong, no-one will be hurt.
The OP was trying to educate people about the issue he experienced. He didn't know what might happen because no-one explained it to him. It may be the driver's responsibility to keep his car safe, but he can only do that if he understands the risk.
Saying "torque it up every 50 miles" doesn't mitigate the risk. Neither does "get the boogers hot and torque them" because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
Hardly -- for the first point. The OP was trying to educate people about the issue he experienced. He didn't know what might happen because no-one explained it to him. It may be the driver's responsibility to keep his car safe, but he can only do that if he understands the risk.
Saying "torque it up every 50 miles" doesn't mitigate the risk. Neither does "get the boogers hot and torque them" because if the powder coat has already gone, you're now torque hot bolts, hubs and brakes.
TheRealFingers99 said:
I can't really speculate on the OP's motives. Sounded like a winge. The safety aspects of paint and powder coating are mentioned on just about every motor sport forum.
Don't know how you interpret "I wanted to share my experience with powder coated wheels with respect to using my car on track on one occasion. This is not intended to be a discussion thread but purely advisory. Any are welcome to comment but I shall not be posting further once I have shared this." as a whingeGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff