What a total ****** ****ing tossing pr*ck
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Some Gump said:
What a bunch of s
te.
If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Did you read a different thread to me? I don't see anyone saying it's easy to earn loads, but I do see someone unhappy with some very tactless behavior. If you believe it's fine to display your obviously superior wealth whilst making people redundant then you aren't a very pleasant person.te.If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Papa Hotel said:
Presuming Ed said:
The problem here is not the fact that the guy has done well for himself its how this has come about.
To all those not seeing a problem here, do you think it acceptable that members of staff are not paid on time? Or are you really thinking well done for making staffs lives extra difficult just because he can.
Nobody here is begrudging the owners wealth but when you run business I'd expect the owner to have respect for his staff as a minimum. His actions show no honour or class. Good luck to you if you have the means to buy an Aston but you don't take it into work where you're not even paying the staff.
My Boss seems to have a new top end car every 6 months but then he pays me a decent wage, on time and I get rewarded for my hard work therefore chapeau to the man that feeds me.
What makes you think the staff aren't being paid??To all those not seeing a problem here, do you think it acceptable that members of staff are not paid on time? Or are you really thinking well done for making staffs lives extra difficult just because he can.
Nobody here is begrudging the owners wealth but when you run business I'd expect the owner to have respect for his staff as a minimum. His actions show no honour or class. Good luck to you if you have the means to buy an Aston but you don't take it into work where you're not even paying the staff.
My Boss seems to have a new top end car every 6 months but then he pays me a decent wage, on time and I get rewarded for my hard work therefore chapeau to the man that feeds me.
02verco said:
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
I'm sorry but this is just bks. What you are saying is that someone who has set up his own company and EMPLOYED people, like your mate, for at least 6 years is thick as two short planks and only got there because hard working people, like your mate, made the business for him?? If you really believe this then there's definitely one person who's thick and it isn't him.If your friend is hard working and not thick then I presume he'll have a bigger, better company employing twice as many people with 6 years then? Or he'll still be employed sitting around moaning about people who are actually out there doing and creating things. I think the latter.
Taking risk is a skill. Setting up business is a talent. Not everyone wants to take risk and responsibility, lots just want to sit around and be told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves. Lots of people like to leave at 5pm and not have to think about anything, not be awake at 2am on Sunday wondering how you are going to pay your staff that you've employed for 5 years. What will you do it the bank want that loan back? How can you expand whist still keeping your current clients happy? ETc etc etc.
Those who can do and those can do. Those that can't sit around and moan about someone else buying a new car.
PH - moaning matters.
Muzzer79 said:
And another thing
Car envy does my head in.
It is completely up to the MD how he spends his money - whether he drives to work in an Aston or a Kia.
You think he should sell these cars to support the business? Would you sell your cars to support where you work? Thought not......
It's not car envy its not saying he should not buy himself nice things, but he shouldn't rub it in the staff's face! AM DB9 for 55k it also sounds a bit OTT Car envy does my head in.
It is completely up to the MD how he spends his money - whether he drives to work in an Aston or a Kia.
You think he should sell these cars to support the business? Would you sell your cars to support where you work? Thought not......
Mr2Mike said:
Some Gump said:
What a bunch of ste.
If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Did you read a different thread to me? I don't see anyone saying it's easy to earn loads, but I do see someone unhappy with some very tactless behavior. If you believe it's fine to display your obviously superior wealth whilst making people redundant then you aren't a very pleasant person.te.If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
There isn't any point whining when some people are doing better than others.
There isn't any point whining that someone is showing off their wealth when others are losing their jobs.
The MD could easily be wealthy from other sources than the failing business.
Presumably some of the folk on here would prefer it if he spent more money buying a shed, just to drive it to work.
C
MX7 said:
oyster said:
All that is irrelevant.
Management is a skill, a skill that involves managing teams of people. And to manage teams of people you need them to be on your side, to pull in the same direction as them. You need them to respect you and look up to both as a team leader and as an individual. You need to trust them because they will make your company more successful. And they need to trust you, because you will make decisions that affect their livelihoods.
I was waiting for the punchline. Management is a skill, a skill that involves managing teams of people. And to manage teams of people you need them to be on your side, to pull in the same direction as them. You need them to respect you and look up to both as a team leader and as an individual. You need to trust them because they will make your company more successful. And they need to trust you, because you will make decisions that affect their livelihoods.
That's just nonsense. Plenty of companies don't achieve any of those things. They are based on the assumption that you need to earn a wage, and they need to pay you as little as possible. Fast food chains seems exist on that policy.
It may not be the most ethical practice, but I think it does work. Having read about Foxconn, it would appear that it's commonly used in China too.
Churn is one of their biggest issues and one they focus lots of efforts on.
nottyash said:
If you look around its generally the same everywhere, people getting rich off the back of others. That's how it works.
Yup that is exactly how capitalism works. Robert Tressel called it "the money trick".God forbid, we should regulate it though. Lest all of our extremely talented CEOs f
k off abroad. My solicitor, seeing my albeit old Maserati QP, told me in confidence that he really fancied buying a new GranTourismo S. But, instead, he was going for a fully loaded Range Rover as he was freezing his staffs' pay and he thought most wouldn't know how expensive a top of the range RR would be but they would guess that the Masser would be expensive.
ILoveMondeo said:
Instead they gave themselves a cheeky 20% pay rise on the down-low and didn't tell anyone!
Nice touch!
I must admit neither my boss or any of my colleagues have discussed the size of their pay rises with me, mainly as it was none of my business. I wouldn't call it acting on the down-low, just normal.Nice touch!
R11ysf said:
I'm sorry but this is just bks. What you are saying is that someone who has set up his own company and EMPLOYED people, like your mate, for at least 6 years is thick as two short planks and only got there because hard working people, like your mate, made the business for him?? If you really believe this then there's definitely one person who's thick and it isn't him.
If your friend is hard working and not thick then I presume he'll have a bigger, better company employing twice as many people with 6 years then? Or he'll still be employed sitting around moaning about people who are actually out there doing and creating things. I think the latter.
Taking risk is a skill. Setting up business is a talent. Not everyone wants to take risk and responsibility, lots just want to sit around and be told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves. Lots of people like to leave at 5pm and not have to think about anything, not be awake at 2am on Sunday wondering how you are going to pay your staff that you've employed for 5 years. What will you do it the bank want that loan back? How can you expand whist still keeping your current clients happy? ETc etc etc.
Those who can do and those can do. Those that can't sit around and moan about someone else buying a new car.
PH - moaning matters.
Okay so a bit of background. ks. What you are saying is that someone who has set up his own company and EMPLOYED people, like your mate, for at least 6 years is thick as two short planks and only got there because hard working people, like your mate, made the business for him?? If you really believe this then there's definitely one person who's thick and it isn't him.If your friend is hard working and not thick then I presume he'll have a bigger, better company employing twice as many people with 6 years then? Or he'll still be employed sitting around moaning about people who are actually out there doing and creating things. I think the latter.
Taking risk is a skill. Setting up business is a talent. Not everyone wants to take risk and responsibility, lots just want to sit around and be told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves. Lots of people like to leave at 5pm and not have to think about anything, not be awake at 2am on Sunday wondering how you are going to pay your staff that you've employed for 5 years. What will you do it the bank want that loan back? How can you expand whist still keeping your current clients happy? ETc etc etc.
Those who can do and those can do. Those that can't sit around and moan about someone else buying a new car.
PH - moaning matters.
Company was started up about 7 years ago, there was a gap in the market in a town, a company that was about 100 miles away thought it would be a good place to set up another company doing the same as he was, offered a friend of his the money and all the information he had to start up same company. Guy welcomed this idea with open arms and started up company in town, he then employed most of the staff from another company that was doing well with the promise of pay rise better conditions etc, MD and the guy who put the money up have an equal share of the company, then the new company using documents from the company he employed people from used them to tender for a large contract with the government. The MD at this point would only go into the office if he had a falling out with his wife to sleep in the office or to blow of his steam, the manger is in charge of everything, he has lots of contacts and is very very good at his job, and grows the company for the MD.
Now from what I have been told over the years this guy is very lucky and has been in the right place at the right time but it is down to his manger for where the company is and like you said a lot of people think that if they are employed there jobs are safe to a certain fact,
So to sum it up, jealous nope, pissed off that someone like that rubs salt in a wound and has no respect for others yes!
Respect for what he has done with the company ummm kind of a lot of underhand deals and been very lucky!
Just personally I wouldn't act like that and it has been proven many times that if you keep investing in your company it can grow! Yes not all company's, but look at BOSC
H read about the history and that is amazing!
Edited by 02verco on Monday 22 July 15:39
R11ysf said:
I'm sorry but this is just bks. What you are saying is that someone who has set up his own company and EMPLOYED people, like your mate, for at least 6 years is thick as two short planks and only got there because hard working people, like your mate, made the business for him?? If you really believe this then there's definitely one person who's thick and it isn't him.
If your friend is hard working and not thick then I presume he'll have a bigger, better company employing twice as many people with 6 years then? Or he'll still be employed sitting around moaning about people who are actually out there doing and creating things. I think the latter.
Taking risk is a skill. Setting up business is a talent. Not everyone wants to take risk and responsibility, lots just want to sit around and be told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves. Lots of people like to leave at 5pm and not have to think about anything, not be awake at 2am on Sunday wondering how you are going to pay your staff that you've employed for 5 years. What will you do it the bank want that loan back? How can you expand whist still keeping your current clients happy? ETc etc etc.
Those who can do and those can do. Those that can't sit around and moan about someone else buying a new car.
PH - moaning matters.
Okay so a bit of background. ks. What you are saying is that someone who has set up his own company and EMPLOYED people, like your mate, for at least 6 years is thick as two short planks and only got there because hard working people, like your mate, made the business for him?? If you really believe this then there's definitely one person who's thick and it isn't him.If your friend is hard working and not thick then I presume he'll have a bigger, better company employing twice as many people with 6 years then? Or he'll still be employed sitting around moaning about people who are actually out there doing and creating things. I think the latter.
Taking risk is a skill. Setting up business is a talent. Not everyone wants to take risk and responsibility, lots just want to sit around and be told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves. Lots of people like to leave at 5pm and not have to think about anything, not be awake at 2am on Sunday wondering how you are going to pay your staff that you've employed for 5 years. What will you do it the bank want that loan back? How can you expand whist still keeping your current clients happy? ETc etc etc.
Those who can do and those can do. Those that can't sit around and moan about someone else buying a new car.
PH - moaning matters.
Company was started up about 7 years ago, there was a gap in the market in a town, a company that was about 100 miles away thought it would be a good place to set up another company doing the same as he was, offered a friend of his the money and all the information he had to start up same company. Guy welcomed this idea with open arms and started up company in town, he then employed most of the staff from another company that was doing well with the promise of pay rise better conditions etc, MD and the guy who put the money up have an equal share of the company, then the new company using documents from the company he employed people from used them to tender for a large contract with the government. The MD at this point would only go into the office if he had a falling out with his wife to sleep in the office or to blow of his steam, the manger is in charge of everything, he has lots of contacts and is very very good at his job, and grows the company for the MD.
Now from what I have been told over the years this guy is very lucky and has been in the right place at the right time but it is down to his manger for where the company is and like you said a lot of people think that if they are employed there jobs are safe to a certain fact,
So to sum it up, jealous nope, pissed off that someone like that rubs salt in a wound and has no respect for others yes!
Respect for what he has done with the company ummm kind of a lot of underhand deals and been very lucky!
Just personally I wouldn't act like that and it has been proven many times that if you keep investing in your company it can grow! Yes not all company's, but look at BOSCH read about the history and that is amazing!
Edited by 02verco on Monday 22 July 15:40
CraigyMc said:
Presumably you'd rather he stopped shaving, lived rough for a few days and walked to work in slippers having soiled himself, in order to disguise his wealth?
There isn't any point whining when some people are doing better than others.
There isn't any point whining that someone is showing off their wealth when others are losing their jobs.
The MD could easily be wealthy from other sources than the failing business.
Presumably some of the folk on here would prefer it if he spent more money buying a shed, just to drive it to work.
C
Well I know he has been sleeping in the office for the last 3 weeks as his missis kicked him out, witch is quite funny! Should call channel 4 they would love to send some cameras around ha ha There isn't any point whining when some people are doing better than others.
There isn't any point whining that someone is showing off their wealth when others are losing their jobs.
The MD could easily be wealthy from other sources than the failing business.
Presumably some of the folk on here would prefer it if he spent more money buying a shed, just to drive it to work.
C
02verco said:
Just personally I wouldn't act like that and it has been proven many times that if you keep investing in your company it can grow! Yes not all company's, but look at BOSCH read about the history and that is amazing!
"For example, in 2004, the net profit was US$2.1 billion, but only US$78 million was distributed as dividends to shareholders. Of that figure, US$72 million was distributed to the charitable foundation, and the other US$6 million to Bosch family stockholders." WikipediaGreedy b
d family taking $6 million.....think of the workers!OP wake up and smell the coffee, everybody goes into business for themselves with one aim, to make more money than they would working for someone else. So what is the issue if they have more material possessions than their salaried staff?
This "manager" must be pretty f
king dense if in 6 years he hasn't jumped ship and started up in competition.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff