RE: Renault Sport Spider: Spotted

RE: Renault Sport Spider: Spotted

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gforceg

3,524 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I really like the bold style. It looks like a toy car one might have had, which wasn't quite based on any real car.

I saw one at Blackbushe auctions in the 90's. I distinctly remember leaning surreptitiously on the wing and there seemed to be zero suspension travel. Bit of a roller-skate I reckon.

Nealio

307 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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AlexIT said:
Sorry to be pedantic, but IIRC the spider was fitted with the F7R engine as found on the Clio Williams, not the the F4R of the Clio2 and 3 and Megane.

Great car to be in wink
Yep, it's an F7R in the spider, not the F4R, although it's the mk1 Megane Coupe version rather than the clio williams version.

It's not a pedantic difference either. F7R and F4R are very significantly different engines.

Ocdbeemer

94 posts

141 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I had the pleasure of "borrowing" a red one over a weekend from a motor trader, who eventually wrote it off. If I remember rightly it didn't have servo assisted brakes. It relied on a hard push to stop it. We drove it up the M1 to Donnington park for the touring cars. Passing cars and lorries so close to the road with no roof or windows was n experience. Once on the twisty roads it was great fun. The handling was great with excellent traction. It's a real head turner with a great engine.

Gary C

12,441 posts

179 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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The Elise is sharper?

I thought one of the features of this car was its fully rose jointed suspension? Which made it really sharp but very harsh on the road?

cortell

58 posts

236 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I had one on order back in the day and then drove an Elise and promptly cancelled the order.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Nealio said:
AlexIT said:
Sorry to be pedantic, but IIRC the spider was fitted with the F7R engine as found on the Clio Williams, not the the F4R of the Clio2 and 3 and Megane.

Great car to be in wink
Yep, it's an F7R in the spider, not the F4R, although it's the mk1 Megane Coupe version rather than the clio williams version.

It's not a pedantic difference either. F7R and F4R are very significantly different engines.
OK then chaps, please, you have the floor!

I've got same bore and stroke for both engines and had them as related and it was in conversation with Patrice Ratti at Renaultsport where he said the Spider engine was a version/predecessor of the F4R and the first of their products to use it. This was over dinner so the subtleties of the similarities or otherwise may have been lost! Perhaps block and basic dimensions shared but F4R uses a more modern head design?

Either way, sounds like you've got some additional insight/intel though so by all means set us right!

Cheers,

Dan

Nealio

307 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Dan Trent said:
OK then chaps, please, you have the floor!

I've got same bore and stroke for both engines and had them as related and it was in conversation with Patrice Ratti at Renaultsport where he said the Spider engine was a version/predecessor of the F4R and the first of their products to use it. This was over dinner so the subtleties of the similarities or otherwise may have been lost! Perhaps block and basic dimensions shared but F4R uses a more modern head design?

Either way, sounds like you've got some additional insight/intel though so by all means set us right!

Cheers,

Dan
F4R bottom end is derived from the F7R bottom end and indeed has the same bore and stroke but is substantially revised in other respects. The head is 100% different.

stephendell

73 posts

227 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Dan Trent said:
Nealio said:
AlexIT said:
Sorry to be pedantic, but IIRC the spider was fitted with the F7R engine as found on the Clio Williams, not the the F4R of the Clio2 and 3 and Megane.

Great car to be in wink
Yep, it's an F7R in the spider, not the F4R, although it's the mk1 Megane Coupe version rather than the clio williams version.

It's not a pedantic difference either. F7R and F4R are very significantly different engines.
OK then chaps, please, you have the floor!

I've got same bore and stroke for both engines and had them as related and it was in conversation with Patrice Ratti at Renaultsport where he said the Spider engine was a version/predecessor of the F4R and the first of their products to use it. This was over dinner so the subtleties of the similarities or otherwise may have been lost! Perhaps block and basic dimensions shared but F4R uses a more modern head design?

Either way, sounds like you've got some additional insight/intel though so by all means set us right!

Cheers,

Dan
Spider Road Car (with and without windscreen)= F7R Megane Version 150BHP(Although most contemporary road tests incorrectly list as Clio Williams version)

The main difference is the head port shapes (Clio version is superior for tuning/performance) and the fact that the Megane version has sequential injection with a pick up on the cam which is annoying as if you fit high lift cams you can't easily fit the vernier pulleys from a Clio Williams as they don't have the pick up and the timing ends up slightly out.

Spider Race Car = F7R Clio Williams Version 180-200BHP depending on who built it. The extra ponies make a big difference as does the reduced weight and Sadev sequential box.

Nealio

307 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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stephendell said:
Oh and the F4R is a descendant of the F7R with common bottom end castings and components.
By 'castings' do you include the block itself?

Because it's not the same by a long chalk... the oil return gallery is on the opposite side for a start.

Polariz

867 posts

155 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Ah PH, thankyou. I had no idea these even existed!

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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iirc Performance Car magazine (possibly Clarkson, can't remember) raved about it when it came out.

MissChief

7,111 posts

168 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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So would a RS265 Megane engine fit in one of these easily enough?

oilit

2,628 posts

178 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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I was looking at these about a year ago, as I was thinking of getting something to blast around for the summer. This very same model was for sale then. Whilst I didnt go to see it as I decided after doing a bit of research that maybe I would be better with something else - it did sound nice with the roof which the owner made and designed whilst he worked at aston.

What concerns me most is that its still for sale - either too expensive or hard vehicles to sell with limited demand. I have to assume its the former rather than the latter?

Pulse

10,922 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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oilit said:
either too expensive or hard vehicles to sell with limited demand.
It's both. It's too expensive, and it'll be hard to shift when you consider what else you could get for the money. People went with the Elise when new for a reason, and they'll do the same now - especially as the Elise is far cheaper.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

282 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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kambites said:
It looks like the engine and gearbox is about 50kg of the difference. If the rest of the difference is the chassis, that would make it over three times the weight of the Elise one!
I seem to recall something from a documentary about the Elise, where they mention the difference in techniques of the chassis.

Both Elise and Spider chassis were made by the same manufacturer, but indeed due to the difference of Renault welding the thing, it has to be a LOT heavier.

There's also a "supposed" reaction in car magazine articles that when the naked chassis was shown to one of the designers he actually replied it had to be the jig to make it instead of the chassis itself... But htat could be "journalistic liberty" of course.

myhandle

1,187 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Pulse said:
It's both. It's too expensive, and it'll be hard to shift when you consider what else you could get for the money. People went with the Elise when new for a reason, and they'll do the same now - especially as the Elise is far cheaper.
However it is far more exotic than an Elise - it looks like a concept car. I've seen one of these in regular use - pretty much daily from what I could establish - in metallic red. It's a great looking car. Just the thing for a hot climate. Show and Display plates in the USA perhaps.

Porkie

2,378 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Had one of the original press cars from Renault when they were launched. Didnt feel fast at all but felt VERY special and was very fun. Will never forget a pedestrian venomously shouting 'Lego' at me as I drove past them... He seemed to hate the car as much as I was enjoying it.

Would love one now... with 300bhp

garypotter

1,503 posts

150 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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I wonder if the bhp renault claim for this car is worked out on the same calculator they use for clio V6 phase 2 which was advertised with 255 bhp...
One put on the rollers only wheezed 225bhp.........

Adrian W

13,875 posts

228 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Here's mine, I spot it every time i go in the garage.



Stock ones had the Megane engine and made about 140bhp on a good day, this is making a bit more

valverguy

440 posts

175 months

Wednesday 24th July 2013
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Its an F7R same as in the clio williams/megane coupe, not an F4R that is in the 172/182 and meganes etc.

Edited by valverguy on Wednesday 24th July 13:09