RE: Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted
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Gorbyrev said:
GroundEffect said:
CraigyMc said:
Are you aware that "Scud" is a Scots word for Porn?
It seems oddly appropriate here.
I always knew it as 'naked'...but I am a dirty lowlander It seems oddly appropriate here.
Seems so wrong now....... the missiles, the scud bit still amuses me
Weatherbee said:
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I hate to be annoying here, but it really is one of my automotive pet peeves. There is a 360 Modena, a 360 Spider, a 360 GT, a 360 Challenge, but no 360 Challenge Stradale. It is simply a Challenge Stradale. Please reference Ferrari's own book "Challenge Stradale" where not once does it refer to the car as "360 Challenge Stradale" or "360CS". This has been screwed up by journalists and auto-enthusiasts alike ever since the car first appeared.That is all.
treetops said:
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
edited for stoopid spelling
Plus "alleged clocking" to help resale values, engine rebuilds required, and the complete lack, in this country at least, to unleash the beast (unless a track day), these cars are becoming more obsolete by the day.Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
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Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
Birdster said:
treetops said:
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
edited for stoopid spelling
Plus "alleged clocking" to help resale values, engine rebuilds required, and the complete lack, in this country at least, to unleash the beast (unless a track day), these cars are becoming more obsolete by the day.Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
edited for stoopid spelling
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
simonigrale said:
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Very good but nothing like the Scud. The Scud has the best paddle shift box of any car. Dull Clutch I mean dual clutch only works in M5, Audis ect IMO.Its very very good but the Nissan GTR is just as good, maybe better.
Admittedly thats because its a little imperfect in some ways, imbuing it with character, like the Scuderias box.
[quote=toppstuff]While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
+1
Would love a 430 after driving one at Silverstone, but couldn't stand the thought of loosing my shirt every 12 months when Ferrari trained 'technician' were to perform the simple tasks of undoing a Ferrari sump nut, checking my Ferrari wipers for correct operation, lubricating my Ferrari door and bonnet catches, and topping up my Ferrari washer bottle.
It takes years of intensive traing to do these things you know.
And anything you're told you gain in supposedly slow depreciation is more than lost just funding the 'got you by the balls' stamps in the service book.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
+1
Would love a 430 after driving one at Silverstone, but couldn't stand the thought of loosing my shirt every 12 months when Ferrari trained 'technician' were to perform the simple tasks of undoing a Ferrari sump nut, checking my Ferrari wipers for correct operation, lubricating my Ferrari door and bonnet catches, and topping up my Ferrari washer bottle.
It takes years of intensive traing to do these things you know.
And anything you're told you gain in supposedly slow depreciation is more than lost just funding the 'got you by the balls' stamps in the service book.
Krikkit said:
It may not be correct, but it's the most practical reference. Not everyone is a Ferrari beard enough to know that the CS is based on a 360, it lets those who are merely cultivating a bit of Ferrari chin stubble participate in conversation without looking like knobs.
That is a fair enough point, and well taken. Thank you. I forget that even on a site that is teeming with bearded gents there is occasionally a need to provide more clarity, or an ease of clarity. One can only hope that my chest-relaxing rant made someone's inquiring mind dive that extra bit deeper.Cobnapint said:
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
+1
Would love a 430 after driving one at Silverstone, but couldn't stand the thought of loosing my shirt every 12 months when Ferrari trained 'technician' were to perform the simple tasks of undoing a Ferrari sump nut, checking my Ferrari wipers for correct operation, lubricating my Ferrari door and bonnet catches, and topping up my Ferrari washer bottle.
It takes years of intensive traing to do these things you know.
And anything you're told you gain in supposedly slow depreciation is more than lost just funding the 'got you by the balls' stamps in the service book.
Agree. Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
+1
Would love a 430 after driving one at Silverstone, but couldn't stand the thought of loosing my shirt every 12 months when Ferrari trained 'technician' were to perform the simple tasks of undoing a Ferrari sump nut, checking my Ferrari wipers for correct operation, lubricating my Ferrari door and bonnet catches, and topping up my Ferrari washer bottle.
It takes years of intensive traing to do these things you know.
And anything you're told you gain in supposedly slow depreciation is more than lost just funding the 'got you by the balls' stamps in the service book.
Its a very expensive exercise to actually use one like a "normal" car.
Build quality (bodywork wise) is pretty shoddy too.
Edited by Dblue on Wednesday 7th August 17:24
toppstuff said:
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
Compared to other supercars the residuals on V8 Ferrari's is stunning and the annual service costs are actually not bad. Main dealer costs of annual service at about £800 including transporter collection and drop off if required - it's not cheap but equally it's not trousers down! Get a new car and it includes 7 years servicing - I don't think that can be bettered by any manufacturer?Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
Russell996 said:
toppstuff said:
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
Compared to other supercars the residuals on V8 Ferrari's is stunning and the annual service costs are actually not bad. Main dealer costs of annual service at about £800 including transporter collection and drop off if required - it's not cheap but equally it's not trousers down! Get a new car and it includes 7 years servicing - I don't think that can be bettered by any manufacturer?Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
7 Year service deals are great but they are on much newer Ferraris which does not include a Scuderia or any 430.The difference between what a 2 year old 458 with 7 year servicing cost new on average (£220 - £260k) and what a dealer will give you as a trade in now is eye watering.
And residuals are very very good because NOBODY DOES ANY B...Y MILES IN THEM!
Average less than 3000 mpa and you're OK, more than say 6000 and you will have chunks coming off the value
Dblue said:
£800 is way under. You can shop around and get an annual for about £1250. Thats an annual service. An oil change for gods sake. The major services are way over £2000.
7 Year service deals are great but they are on much newer Ferraris which does not include a Scuderia or any 430.The difference between what a 2 year old 458 with 7 year servicing cost new on average (£220 - £260k) and what a dealer will give you as a trade in now is eye watering.
And residuals are very very good because NOBODY DOES ANY B...Y MILES IN THEM!
Average less than 3000 mpa and you're OK, more than say 6000 and you will have chunks coming off the value
Latest Ferrari main dealer annual service done this month cost £839 inc VAT. Expensive, but not unreasonable given the time spent and the covered collection/delivery options.7 Year service deals are great but they are on much newer Ferraris which does not include a Scuderia or any 430.The difference between what a 2 year old 458 with 7 year servicing cost new on average (£220 - £260k) and what a dealer will give you as a trade in now is eye watering.
And residuals are very very good because NOBODY DOES ANY B...Y MILES IN THEM!
Average less than 3000 mpa and you're OK, more than say 6000 and you will have chunks coming off the value
toppstuff said:
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
not in my experience... I've done 15k in my 430 and its been faultless and servicing is NOT expensive at all. Done trackdays, done road trips, pops to shops etc. Totally usable everyday. Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
My friends had a grey scud for a year now and its also been faultless and cost nothing to look after. He has done lots of Brands evenings in it and 3 Spa trips with me.
Edited by Porkie on Thursday 8th August 13:18
Porkie said:
toppstuff said:
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
not in my experience... I've done 15k in my 430 and its been faultless and servicing is NOT expensive at all. Done trackdays, done road trips, pops to shops etc. Totally usable everyday. Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
My friends had a grey scud for a year now and its also been faultless and cost nothing to look after. He has done lots of Brands evenings in it and 3 Spa trips with me.
So the Scuderia had no suspension drop link issues, no milky carbon fibre, no corrosion at the wheel arches or seam of the front lid , no dropped wiper mechanism causing a scratch on the screen and requiring a new windscreen??
If so then good for him but that's the list mine had between 5 and 14k miles (Still under warranty of course)
The car was epic in most ways, engine. performance, transmission, sound but my abiding impression after owning mine was that it's fundametal build quality left quite a lot to be desired. It didn't break down at all though or have more than 1 or 2 odd electrical glitches.
Annual Service at HR Owen was £2,300. I wanted it to go there for it's history and I certainly could have twisted their arms a bit but that's what they charged.
I could have got Carrs to do it for £1250 at the time I think.
If the £839 you got charged was from a franchised dealer then either you have a cheaper car to service or they have substantially reduced their prices.
I couldn't source replacement Ferrari specific rear tyres for the car at any independent outlet. Pirelli could supply a right hand Corsa for a reasonable £365+VAT but the only way I could replace the (illegal) left hand tyre was through Graypaul and it cost £515+VAT for 1 TYRE!!!.
Edited by Porkie on Thursday 8th August 13:18
Dblue said:
The car was epic in most ways, engine. performance, transmission, sound but my abiding impression after owning mine was that it's fundametal build quality left quite a lot to be desired. It didn't break down at all though or have more than 1 or 2 odd electrical glitches.
Annual Service at HR Owen was £2,300. I wanted it to go there for it's history and I certainly could have twisted their arms a bit but that's what they charged.
I could have got Carrs to do it for £1250 at the time I think.
If the £839 you got charged was from a franchised dealer then either you have a cheaper car to service or they have substantially reduced their prices.
I can't really comment on why you were charged so much or the problems you experienced except to confirm early Scuds suffer milky carbon as does the CS. Price I quoted was for my 16M which has now had 2 annuals and one major service, all competitively priced. Looking at HR Owens web site they seem to have very similar prices.Annual Service at HR Owen was £2,300. I wanted it to go there for it's history and I certainly could have twisted their arms a bit but that's what they charged.
I could have got Carrs to do it for £1250 at the time I think.
If the £839 you got charged was from a franchised dealer then either you have a cheaper car to service or they have substantially reduced their prices.
http://www.hrowen.co.uk/ferrari/service-parts-body...
Russell996 said:
Dblue said:
The car was epic in most ways, engine. performance, transmission, sound but my abiding impression after owning mine was that it's fundametal build quality left quite a lot to be desired. It didn't break down at all though or have more than 1 or 2 odd electrical glitches.
Annual Service at HR Owen was £2,300. I wanted it to go there for it's history and I certainly could have twisted their arms a bit but that's what they charged.
I could have got Carrs to do it for £1250 at the time I think.
If the £839 you got charged was from a franchised dealer then either you have a cheaper car to service or they have substantially reduced their prices.
I can't really comment on why you were charged so much or the problems you experienced except to confirm early Scuds suffer milky carbon as does the CS. Price I quoted was for my 16M which has now had 2 annuals and one major service, all competitively priced. Looking at HR Owens web site they seem to have very similar prices.Annual Service at HR Owen was £2,300. I wanted it to go there for it's history and I certainly could have twisted their arms a bit but that's what they charged.
I could have got Carrs to do it for £1250 at the time I think.
If the £839 you got charged was from a franchised dealer then either you have a cheaper car to service or they have substantially reduced their prices.
http://www.hrowen.co.uk/ferrari/service-parts-body...
Yes, they are perfectly usable for everyday trips, of course they are but the number of cars that exceed 5000 miles pa is tiny. It seems to me ridiculous that a car that costs 100s of thousands of pounds to buy should be praised to the hilt because it successfully covers a couple of 1000 miles a year without a problem.
Dblue said:
Well I suspect that they have made substantial reductions in light of increased competitiveness and falling demand. Fact is that an equivalent Porsche RS needs servicing every 2 years and a bog standard annual will be half that.
Yes, they are perfectly usable for everyday trips, of course they are but the number of cars that exceed 5000 miles pa is tiny. It seems to me ridiculous that a car that costs 100s of thousands of pounds to buy should be praised to the hilt because it successfully covers a couple of 1000 miles a year without a problem.
Prices haven't changed to my knowledge, my 430 coupe servicing was priced similarly 5 years ago. Fact is that Porsche is always going to be cheaper, far higher volume and more servicing competition. Yes, they are perfectly usable for everyday trips, of course they are but the number of cars that exceed 5000 miles pa is tiny. It seems to me ridiculous that a car that costs 100s of thousands of pounds to buy should be praised to the hilt because it successfully covers a couple of 1000 miles a year without a problem.
Prices per service for the RS models aren't actually too dissimilar although as you say every 2 years is a big difference.
I'm not sure I understand the issue you are trying to highlight, you can legitimately ask why owners only drive a 1000 miles a year, but the car will do 10's of 1000's with no problems, indeed in Europe many Ferrari's are used properly.
PS, did you enjoy Wilton?
I did enjoy Wilton, its a great day out. 
The only real bugbear I have with Ferraris is the pitiful lack of use the cars get in the UK.
I had my Scud for 14 mths and it covered 8500 miles despite not emerging from the Garage between mid October and the start of March. 1 Alps trip, 1 Le Mans trip and actually using it in between. I did love it as an experience but if you use them they don't command the great residuals they appear to.
Too many other cars on the market with tiny mileages.
The only real bugbear I have with Ferraris is the pitiful lack of use the cars get in the UK.
I had my Scud for 14 mths and it covered 8500 miles despite not emerging from the Garage between mid October and the start of March. 1 Alps trip, 1 Le Mans trip and actually using it in between. I did love it as an experience but if you use them they don't command the great residuals they appear to.
Too many other cars on the market with tiny mileages.
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