RE: Alonso in LaFerrari
Discussion
chelme said:
'The Way the Modern World Works' Hmmm, not sure about that.
I think the UK is arguably somewhat in the minority (and behind) in manufacturing when compared to Germany, France, Italy and the States, in that, their manufacturers tend to rely on a domestic supply base more so than manufacturers in the UK. The other point to make is that most of the manufacturers in the UK are foreign owned, so ultimately the profits end up places like Japan, Germany, France, China and the States. We do provide the workforce and in some cases the specialist skills (which we should be proud of) but unfortunately, we have of late simply failed to manage companies in the way the Germans and the Italians have done to become world leaders in their fields.
Apart from thats not true. Parts for any car are made all over the world. The UK makes more cars than Italy. Parts in any car come from around the world. Bosch produce allot of the worlds automotive electronics (ECUs, ABS systems) which go to Japan, France, Italy. Chips in those ECUs come from wafer fabs around the world. Ferrari us GETRAG gearboxes from Germany. Fiat and Volvo use Aisin (a Japanise company) gearboxes made in Belgium. Ford Bridgend Engine plant make the 1.6 Ecoboost and Inline 6 engines used thought the world. And so on... Noone makes a completely domestic car any more.I think the UK is arguably somewhat in the minority (and behind) in manufacturing when compared to Germany, France, Italy and the States, in that, their manufacturers tend to rely on a domestic supply base more so than manufacturers in the UK. The other point to make is that most of the manufacturers in the UK are foreign owned, so ultimately the profits end up places like Japan, Germany, France, China and the States. We do provide the workforce and in some cases the specialist skills (which we should be proud of) but unfortunately, we have of late simply failed to manage companies in the way the Germans and the Italians have done to become world leaders in their fields.
Want to see where most of the money ends up? Don't look at the head office, look at where the money and financing really is. Stock Markets, Banks and Insurance. The City of London.
As for the comparing UK manufacturing to the those countries? Take a look at the situation manufacturers are in throughout the world. With the exception of Germany they all are in deep trouble. The reason Germany has done so well? Production of high quality products that people want. Same as we are now doing in the UK.
The problem in the UK is that people won't take any pride and just moan about how s
t we are because we can't be the best at everything. "We are only the 7 largest manufacturer in the world" "We only have the 6th best education in the world" blah blah blah. We should be proud of what we do like other countries are and stop moaning so much.Edited by SteveSteveson on Friday 9th August 13:54
SteveSteveson said:
Apart from thats not true. Parts for any car are made all over the world. The UK makes more cars than Italy. Parts in any car come from around the world. Bosch produce allot of the worlds automotive electronics (ECUs, ABS systems) which go to Japan, France, Italy. Chips in those ECUs come from wafer fabs around the world. Ferrari us GETRAG gearboxes from Germany. Fiat and Volvo use Aisin (a Japanise company) gearboxes made in Belgium. Ford Bridgend Engine plant make the 1.6 Ecoboost and Inline 6 engines used thought the world. And so on... Noone makes a completely domestic car any more.
Want to see where most of the money ends up? Don't look at the head office, look at where the money and financing really is. Stock Markets, Banks and Insurance. The City of London.
As for the comparing UK manufacturing to the those countries? Take a look at the situation manufacturers are in throughout the world. With the exception of Germany they all are in deep trouble. The reason Germany has done so well? Production of high quality products that people want. Same as we are now doing in the UK.
The problem in the UK is that people won't take any pride and just moan about how st we are because we can't be the best at everything. "We are only the 7 largest manufacturer in the world" "We only have the 6th best education in the world" blah blah blah. We should be proud of what we do like other countries are and stop moaning so much.
Er, it is true. In 2012, the UK produced approximately 1.5 million vehicles. Thats below France, Spain, Russia, Canada, Thailand, Mexico, Brazil, India, South Korea, Germany, Japan, United States and China. As regards the manufacturing of individual components, your response rightly highlights the fact the majority of these come from abroad too (Bosch, Getrag, Graziano and others).Want to see where most of the money ends up? Don't look at the head office, look at where the money and financing really is. Stock Markets, Banks and Insurance. The City of London.
As for the comparing UK manufacturing to the those countries? Take a look at the situation manufacturers are in throughout the world. With the exception of Germany they all are in deep trouble. The reason Germany has done so well? Production of high quality products that people want. Same as we are now doing in the UK.
The problem in the UK is that people won't take any pride and just moan about how s
t we are because we can't be the best at everything. "We are only the 7 largest manufacturer in the world" "We only have the 6th best education in the world" blah blah blah. We should be proud of what we do like other countries are and stop moaning so much.Edited by SteveSteveson on Friday 9th August 13:54
Most of those built in the UK are owned by foreign companies, if not companies, then individuals with vast amount of interests in the form of shares of ownership.
Its true that the City of London plays a significant role in facilitating ownership, but this does not come within manufacturing per se, its the legal, accounting, banking and other professional services which help along the way, and yes there is a great deal money exchanging here in the City of London which contribute to the UK economy, but the point made earlier was that we are lagging behind in manufacturing, not professional services.
You seem to be fudging overall economy with the subject matter of Manufacturing output. Even if we were to consider various criteria for global economic output, we are lagging behind Brazil, France, Germany, Japan, United States and China in GDP. In Purchasing Power Parity, we are 22nd in the world. In Banking, the UK relies a good deal on foreign owned Banks, there are many more US, Swiss, French and just as many German Investment Banks operating in the London than there are British ones, but thats another subject.
The only industry we dominate in is perhaphs the Legal Industry and possibly the Insurance industry.
I think we have the potential to be the best at everything we do, but we have failed in recent times to realise this as a collective within the context of manufacturing. Its not moaning. Its just stating a fact.
Think about it, if in the UK, we had been successful with manufacturing cars, a company based in the UK (i.e. British Leyland as it was then known) would have been competing with the likes of VAG and FIAT, providing opportunities for a wider set of individuals with different skills.
We haven't and placing all our eggs in the Services Basket (in particular Banking) arguably got us in the deep mess we have been in since 2008.
Mr2Mike said:
r11co said:
Eh? Last time I checked it wasn't me who was responsible for the development of the Italian language (or any other for that matter). The fact that Ferrari's UK English speaking marketing staff occasionally get it wrong too (or are maybe pandering to the ignorant) still doesn't change things.
You are simply wrong, accept it and move on. Pointing out spelling errors to cover your embarrassment just makes things worse.Edited by r11co on Friday 9th August 21:42
It tells you all you need to know about the car in question, that 99% of this thread is talking about grammar, language and Alonso's height.
I believe ABS also stood for Auto Blockierung System (or something similar) in German cars, so talking about ABS antilock brakes might be valid if it were a review of an Audi, BMW etc.
I believe ABS also stood for Auto Blockierung System (or something similar) in German cars, so talking about ABS antilock brakes might be valid if it were a review of an Audi, BMW etc.
suffolk009 said:
I'm no aficionado on Allegros, but it seems that the Vanden Plas 1500 (the upmarket Allegro) was available with a round wheel.
Another possible theory: Ferrari will be offering a round wheel upgrade. It'll be available on the options list. ££££s no doubt.
Only the first Allegros had square steering wheels, later models got round ones.Another possible theory: Ferrari will be offering a round wheel upgrade. It'll be available on the options list. ££££s no doubt.
Maybe Ferrari is going the same route :-).
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