RE: Zakspeed Ford Escort: You Know You Want To
Discussion
DanielSan said:
LuS1fer said:
I can't even understand why people pay over £10k for any Escort.
A grand is too expensive. It's a shot old shopping trolley at the end of the day.
ksThis car has had a very rare engine installed (the BDG mentioned in the article) I have heard of these engines going for 15k when in need of a rebuild.
It has also had a fantastic job done of making it look like a period race car, from a period zakspeed shell, and with all the kit on it, I doubt very much he is going to break even on what this has cost to build.
You show me any 35 year old touring car of similar spec for less money
I'm afraid I always copy and paste this, but....
A (classic) car auction is a very good barometer of a cars worth or desirability in the marketplace.
Obviously nobody thought this was worth the figure pinned to it.
Having said that, I wouldn't have paid the figure for the John Lennon Ferrari just cos some beatnik Beatle had owned it.
It's a funny old world...
A (classic) car auction is a very good barometer of a cars worth or desirability in the marketplace.
Obviously nobody thought this was worth the figure pinned to it.
Having said that, I wouldn't have paid the figure for the John Lennon Ferrari just cos some beatnik Beatle had owned it.
It's a funny old world...
The thing that pisses me off is a) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a mk1 1.1 popular plus for £150 because of the rusty boot. b) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a lotus twin cam engined mk2 mexico for £1800 in 1999, and c) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a 3 door sierra cosworth in 2006 for £10K
gog440 said:
DanielSan said:
LuS1fer said:
I can't even understand why people pay over £10k for any Escort.
A grand is too expensive. It's a shot old shopping trolley at the end of the day.ksThis car has had a very rare engine installed (the BDG mentioned in the article) I have heard of these engines going for 15k when in need of a rebuild.
It has also had a fantastic job done of making it look like a period race car, from a period zakspeed shell, and with all the kit on it, I doubt very much he is going to break even on what this has cost to build.
You show me any 35 year old touring car of similar spec for less money
ks? The facts are 1) No-one wanted to buy the car for the asking price as 2) No-one felt it was worth the money. Kinda says it all really...Standard cars, the road ones you are all aspiring to own on here, are nothing like the motorsport versions which have always commanded high prices because of the expensive parts that are in them.
Make a comparison to buying a standard used Focus ST road car, to a used Focus World Rally Car and you will start to understand the difference.
Make a comparison to buying a standard used Focus ST road car, to a used Focus World Rally Car and you will start to understand the difference.
windy1 said:
Standard cars, the road ones you are all aspiring to own on here, are nothing like the motorsport versions which have always commanded high prices because of the expensive parts that are in them.
Make a comparison to buying a standard used Focus ST road car, to a used Focus World Rally Car and you will start to understand the difference.
Make a comparison to buying a standard used Focus ST road car, to a used Focus World Rally Car and you will start to understand the difference.
mrclav said:
gog440 said:
DanielSan said:
LuS1fer said:
I can't even understand why people pay over £10k for any Escort.
A grand is too expensive. It's a shot old shopping trolley at the end of the day.ksThis car has had a very rare engine installed (the BDG mentioned in the article) I have heard of these engines going for 15k when in need of a rebuild.
It has also had a fantastic job done of making it look like a period race car, from a period zakspeed shell, and with all the kit on it, I doubt very much he is going to break even on what this has cost to build.
You show me any 35 year old touring car of similar spec for less money
ks? The facts are 1) No-one wanted to buy the car for the asking price as 2) No-one felt it was worth the money. Kinda says it all really...ks because it's a) worth slightly more than a grand, b) it's a full race car, not a 'shot old shopping trolley, and c) it's a lot more car than is in the majority of our garages on here.It's a piece of motorsport history.
New POD said:
The thing that pisses me off is a) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a mk1 1.1 popular plus for £150 because of the rusty boot. b) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a lotus twin cam engined mk2 mexico for £1800 in 1999, and c) knowing that I turned down the purchase of a 3 door sierra cosworth in 2006 for £10K
I sold my fully restored Mk2 RS2 that needed reassembling (I was getting divorced) in 1996 for £2000. Included original 7" RS alloys, Group 1 Pinto, modified 5 speed...MichelV said:
J4CKO said:
Lovely, but strictly one for the Escort Beards/collectors, could build something that would give the same/similar feel/thrills a lot lot cheaper, someone on Retro rides has stuck an S2000 engine in a Talbot Sunbeam and done it very well, retro, rwd and a barking twin cam.
There are still loads of old RWD stuff out there that would suit, E30's, Merc 190's, 924's, Manta's etc, ok they arent wide arched Escorts but what I am saying is you dont need to spend all that much to have something fun like that.
Not really because with this one you can show up at the track and compete in the historics.There are still loads of old RWD stuff out there that would suit, E30's, Merc 190's, 924's, Manta's etc, ok they arent wide arched Escorts but what I am saying is you dont need to spend all that much to have something fun like that.
You can also have it FIA approved K-reg.
You could build it for about 60-70K€ (the engine they claim is in there is about 20k€), the shell would be about 10K most of it labour, suspension plus setup 3K, the BBS about 2K€ if you can find them. Brakes about 2k€ all around. The rest is for all the simple stuff. Interior, gauges, fire-fighting system, paint/body, exhaust system,....
gog440 said:
DanielSan said:
LuS1fer said:
I can't even understand why people pay over £10k for any Escort.
A grand is too expensive. It's a shot old shopping trolley at the end of the day.ksThis car has had a very rare engine installed (the BDG mentioned in the article) I have heard of these engines going for 15k when in need of a rebuild.
Now, if only this had a proper Zakspeed engine in it ...... and a massive rear wing on it with some Sachs decals
Edited by aeropilot on Tuesday 13th August 08:10
Marto said:
What a cracker, and very much on the lifetime 'bucket list' of cars I would love to have a crack at.
However, can I also tempt 'Sirs' with this lively run-a-round!
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C327799
One may find it a bit of a handful in the wet!
Now that has charisma! It also has provinance and pedigree. It must have been amazing to watch on the track. Thanks for posting it on here.However, can I also tempt 'Sirs' with this lively run-a-round!
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C327799
One may find it a bit of a handful in the wet!
cjb1 said:
Marto said:
What a cracker, and very much on the lifetime 'bucket list' of cars I would love to have a crack at.
However, can I also tempt 'Sirs' with this lively run-a-round!
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C327799
One may find it a bit of a handful in the wet!
Now that has charisma! It also has provinance and pedigree. It must have been amazing to watch on the track. Thanks for posting it on here.However, can I also tempt 'Sirs' with this lively run-a-round!
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C327799
One may find it a bit of a handful in the wet!
Just imagine it... "What's that mate?" "Oh, it's a Vauxhall with a few bits of Aston."
Granted it is a lovely car and I for one am a big fan of the MK1 & MK2 Escorts. I served my time on them in the '70's at a Ford Dealership.
However, whereabouts in either the PH article or the Silverstone auction feature does it say that this was a racer from the period, where does it say what year the car was built as a race car? it doesn't.
It's a fantastic machine but it's a replica and that's all it will ever be, a similar 'copy' that could be been built today would not be deemed a classic, it would be a replica of a classic. It has race pedigree but not from the period it pretends to be from. Yes it's a beast, yes it's a beautiful car to look at but no, it's not a '70's racer so it cannot be expected to demand prices so high as is obviously expected.
If you add up the cost of the parts, engine, gearbox, shell etc, etc yes, maybe it would mount up to somewhere near the £75-80K but it doesn't work like that does it?
Lovely car, not original though.
However, whereabouts in either the PH article or the Silverstone auction feature does it say that this was a racer from the period, where does it say what year the car was built as a race car? it doesn't.
It's a fantastic machine but it's a replica and that's all it will ever be, a similar 'copy' that could be been built today would not be deemed a classic, it would be a replica of a classic. It has race pedigree but not from the period it pretends to be from. Yes it's a beast, yes it's a beautiful car to look at but no, it's not a '70's racer so it cannot be expected to demand prices so high as is obviously expected.
If you add up the cost of the parts, engine, gearbox, shell etc, etc yes, maybe it would mount up to somewhere near the £75-80K but it doesn't work like that does it?
Lovely car, not original though.
cjb1 said:
Granted it is a lovely car and I for one am a big fan of the MK1 & MK2 Escorts. I served my time on them in the '70's at a Ford Dealership.
However, whereabouts in either the PH article or the Silverstone auction feature does it say that this was a racer from the period, where does it say what year the car was built as a race car? it doesn't.
It's a fantastic machine but it's a replica and that's all it will ever be, a similar 'copy' that could be been built today would not be deemed a classic, it would be a replica of a classic. It has race pedigree but not from the period it pretends to be from. Yes it's a beast, yes it's a beautiful car to look at but no, it's not a '70's racer so it cannot be expected to demand prices so high as is obviously expected.
If you add up the cost of the parts, engine, gearbox, shell etc, etc yes, maybe it would mount up to somewhere near the £75-80K but it doesn't work like that does it?
Lovely car, not original though.
Ii's got a ZAK identity, and if it's the original Zakspeed shell with provenance, albeit an unused Zakspeed shell without racing heritage, it's still got value. Afterall, there are plenty of 'works' rally Escorts around that are an awful lot less 'original' than that, and are worth more.However, whereabouts in either the PH article or the Silverstone auction feature does it say that this was a racer from the period, where does it say what year the car was built as a race car? it doesn't.
It's a fantastic machine but it's a replica and that's all it will ever be, a similar 'copy' that could be been built today would not be deemed a classic, it would be a replica of a classic. It has race pedigree but not from the period it pretends to be from. Yes it's a beast, yes it's a beautiful car to look at but no, it's not a '70's racer so it cannot be expected to demand prices so high as is obviously expected.
If you add up the cost of the parts, engine, gearbox, shell etc, etc yes, maybe it would mount up to somewhere near the £75-80K but it doesn't work like that does it?
Lovely car, not original though.
This car just needs to be done properly though to command the value and that's why it didn't sell, not because it's a replica or recreation, but because it's not done correctly. A properly executed recreation of a Zakspeed car using a geniune ZAK identity original Zakspeed shell would sell.
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