Hybrids - its a tax thing not an mpg thing isn't it?

[Technomatt]

AnotherClarkey said:

Technomatt said:

Save about £4K then and buy something like a combined 66 mpg petrol Clio TCe.

Spot a trend here?

The Hybrid = not making any economic sense

Nah, I would spend less than £1000 more on a better equipped Yaris hybrid with the auto box that I want. I would get a better warranty and enjoy the fact that the Yaris averages 58mpg in the real world as opposed to the Clio which mangages 46.

Of course, I could buy a simmilarly equipped diesel Clio instead but that would cost more than the Yaris, still not have the auto box I want and although it seems to be up to 2mpg more economical in the real world much of that would be wiped out by the fact that diesel costs more than petrol. The Yaris is still more efficient in energy terms though since the Clio diesel cheats by using fuel that contains approximately 10% more energy in the first place.


Oh, and I don't like driving diesels.

If you want to narrow your criteria to justify paying an extra £4K, be my guest.

Even in the Yaris range, the Yaris Edition is £3.5K cheaper.

Subjective not objective thinking.

[parapa]

Roo said:

Thanks for that.

No worries dude

[Dave200]

Technomatt said:

Hybrids. Not all wrong but equally not that unqualified best solution many just automatically assume here.

Quite literally nobody in this thread has said anything of the sort. At all. I'd love to see the quotes you attribute to that.

If this is what you are so annoyed about, then you can leave the thread satisfied that you dispelled that particular myth, and won that argument. Go you.

I was quite enjoying the first few pages of this thread, before your verbal diarrhoea spoiled it.

[Technomatt]

Dave200 said:

Technomatt said:

Hybrids. Not all wrong but equally not that unqualified best solution many just automatically assume here.

Quite literally nobody in this thread has said anything of the sort. At all. I'd love to see the quotes you attribute to that.

If this is what you are so annoyed about, then you can leave the thread satisfied that you dispelled that particular myth, and won that argument. Go you.

I was quite enjoying the first few pages of this thread, before your verbal diarrhoea spoiled it.

The 3rd whingeing post in a classic series of 3.

The content not up to your required standard?

Have you asked for your subscription back?

[AnotherClarkey]

Technomatt said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Technomatt said:

Save about £4K then and buy something like a combined 66 mpg petrol Clio TCe.

Spot a trend here?

The Hybrid = not making any economic sense

Nah, I would spend less than £1000 more on a better equipped Yaris hybrid with the auto box that I want. I would get a better warranty and enjoy the fact that the Yaris averages 58mpg in the real world as opposed to the Clio which mangages 46.

Of course, I could buy a simmilarly equipped diesel Clio instead but that would cost more than the Yaris, still not have the auto box I want and although it seems to be up to 2mpg more economical in the real world much of that would be wiped out by the fact that diesel costs more than petrol. The Yaris is still more efficient in energy terms though since the Clio diesel cheats by using fuel that contains approximately 10% more energy in the first place.


Oh, and I don't like driving diesels.

If you want to narrow your criteria to justify paying an extra £4K, be my guest.

Even in the Yaris range, the Yaris Edition is £3.5K cheaper.

Subjective not objective thinking.

You do make me laugh but you aren't very convincing. It was you who put up the Clio as an example and I pointed out that a direct hybrid competitor was similar in cost and substantially more economical (or cheaper and about the same for economy when compared with the diesel).

I think you are on the wrong site if you think that car buying decisions must be purely objective - why don't you drive a Dacia Sandero?

[Roo]

Why waste money buying a new Dacia Sandero when a £1,300 shed will do the job just as well?

[McWigglebum4th]

Roo said:

Why waste money buying a new Dacia Sandero when a £1,300 shed will do the job just as well?

Just think of the CO2

Anyone who is concerned about that should be cycling

[AnotherClarkey]

Roo said:

Why waste money buying a new Dacia Sandero when a £1,300 shed will do the job just as well?

Awww, part of me thinks Technomatt is losing his 'voice of engineering reason' mantle and is becoming a figure of fun, go easy on him.

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

Roo said:

Why waste money buying a new Dacia Sandero when a £1,300 shed will do the job just as well?

Just think of the CO2

Anyone who is concerned about that should be cycling

lol, knock the £1300 shed all you like but it's quicker, more roomy, better equipped and more fun than any hybrid...as well as being cheaper to run overall

Also owning a shed means more money on important things like cycling

[anonymous-user]

AnotherClarkey said:

Awww, part of me thinks Technomatt is losing his 'voice of engineering reason' mantle and is becoming a figure of fun, go easy on him.

The 'pro hybrid tag team' are just as rabid. Is it a moral victory you are seeking or something a bit more heavyweight that you can tell your friends about

[Roo]

yonex said:

lol, knock the £1300 shed all you like but it's quicker, more roomy, better equipped and more fun than any hybrid.

Are you sure about that?

[McWigglebum4th]

yonex said:

lol, knock the £1300 shed all you like but it's quicker, more roomy, better equipped and more fun than any hybrid...as well as being cheaper to run overall

Also owning a shed means more money on important things like cycling

You haven't seen my shed

It posibly has less equipment and is less comfortable then a bike

And almost certainly cheaper to buy

[Roo]

yonex said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Awww, part of me thinks Technomatt is losing his 'voice of engineering reason' mantle and is becoming a figure of fun, go easy on him.

The 'pro hybrid tag team' are just as rabid. Is it a moral victory you are seeking or something a bit more heavyweight that you can tell your friends about

No. As has been said many times - hybrids aren't suitable for everybody. I've got one because it's roomy, comfortable, well equipped and extremely cheap to run.

As yet he's been unable to come up with a cohesive argument. His argument stems around the fact that you can buy a cheaper car that does the job just as well but has never provided any factual examples.

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

You haven't seen my shed

It posibly has less equipment and is less comfortable then a bike

And almost certainly cheaper to buy

You haven't seen my bike. It's basically a mobile rack, yet it's still the most valuable vehicle I currently own!

[Technomatt]

AnotherClarkey said:

You do make me laugh but you aren't very convincing. It was you who put up the Clio as an example and I pointed out that a direct hybrid competitor was similar in cost and substantially more economical (or cheaper and about the same for economy when compared with the diesel).

I think you are on the wrong site if you think that car buying decisions must be purely objective - why don't you drive a Dacia Sandero?

It's not my task to convince you personally, either from an engineering or economic stance and whilst you obviously find it hard to accept, the majority of the buying public have also, objectively or subjectively, decided Hybrids are not for them.

When the sales statistics start to become meaningful, you can expand your argument with some significant broader substance.

[Technomatt]

yonex said:

The 'pro hybrid tag team' are just as rabid. Is it a moral victory you are seeking or something a bit more heavyweight that you can tell your friends about

A survey reported that a high percentage of Prius owners purchasing decision is based on perceived image and public acceptance.

You can see why the economic or engineering argument is futile...

[braddo]

Technomatt said:

A survey reported that a high percentage of Prius owners purchasing decision is based on perceived image and public acceptance.

You can see why the economic or engineering argument is futile...

So why are increasing numbers of minicab drivers choosing to run a Prius?

[KTF]

braddo said:

So why are increasing numbers of minicab drivers choosing to run a Prius?

Lots of shuffling forward in the ranks to get to the front of the queue, plenty of stop start in town centres, etc. Ideal hybrid territory when you have to pay your own fuel bills.

[braddo]

KTF said:

braddo said:

So why are increasing numbers of minicab drivers choosing to run a Prius?

Lots of shuffling forward in the ranks to get to the front of the queue, plenty of stop start in town centres, etc. Ideal hybrid territory when you have to pay your own fuel bills.

Indeed, but it seems Technomatt is blind/deaf to this economic reality.

[RizzoTheRat]

Technomatt said:

the majority of the buying public have also, objectively or subjectively, decided Hybrids are not for them.

Interesting argument. The majority of the buying public have also decided rear wheel drive isn't for them, doesn't mean there's inherently anything wrong with RWD cars though.