RE: Zenos Project E10 - exclusive
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Are there any more photos available of the tub with suspension?
Interesting concept having the aluminium tunnel section, which will give good bending stiffness but offer little in torsion stiffness. On the face of it I prefer the aluminium design of the Lotus Elise, but let's wait and see how this Zenos evolves.
Interesting concept having the aluminium tunnel section, which will give good bending stiffness but offer little in torsion stiffness. On the face of it I prefer the aluminium design of the Lotus Elise, but let's wait and see how this Zenos evolves.
stevenkelby said:
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Why, in the last hundred years, has there only been a single car made with 3 seats? And the F1 is considered by many to be the greatest car ever made.
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I take the point about central seating, but the F1 was not the first three seater. If we ignore some of the 50s sports cars that had a sideways rear seat, the Matra Murena was the first three abreast sports car - taking your point and the target market for this project, probably a better source of inspiration although the poor guy/gal in the centre would have an aluminium spine in their butt cheeks as it sits now Why, in the last hundred years, has there only been a single car made with 3 seats? And the F1 is considered by many to be the greatest car ever made.
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Anyway, pedant mode off
wemorgan said:
Interesting concept having the aluminium tunnel section, which will give good bending stiffness but offer little in torsion stiffness. On the face of it I prefer the aluminium design of the Lotus Elise, but let's wait and see how this Zenos evolves.
Not to mention also providing a great deal of side impact protection, something that you do really want on a road car. (having had a unwanted transit van come straight into the door of an Elise i was a passenger in, i can tell you that's a useful side effect of the elise tub......)Hellbound said:
nckr55 said:
This. I often wonder what a modern mid/rear engined light, compact 2+2 would be like. It would for one thing have a genuine niche to differentiate from the ultra-impractical track days only crowd.
You've just described the next gen Renault Twingo (and next gen Smart ForFour iirc)KM666 said:
Hmm I wonder what else can be done with caterham underpinnings... Is the wheelbase far from a Metro wheelbase?
You were aware that Ansar isn't connected with Caterham and hasn't been for several years???? I would also add that he cut his teeth on the Elise, juggled finances in a very tight period at Caterham Cars and knows what it takes to deliver to both investors and customers. Some might say that I sold my R500 because I knew this was on its way.... ;-)Tartan Pixie said:
PhilJames said:
Not sure any significant cost will be saved with recycled carbon, it's not the carbon cloth that is expensive it's the tooling and laminating process that's expensive. Using an inferior cloth (non engineering cloth) would require more carbon material and resin to achieve the same strength; therefore increasing weight and cost.
I don't think this is a case of simply using different cloth with the standard process for carbon fibre, it looks like a different process altogether that happens to have carbon in it.Would be really interesting to hear more about what they are actually doing with those cut up drinking straws to turn them in to a car, because that shot of the cutaway piece looks like something you'd insulate a house with, not build a car from.
It's just a chassis. It might be 10kgs lighter than an Elise chassis, probably worse side intact than a motorbike but, it's just a chassis. Even if my earlier comments are inaccurate, it's just a chassis. To get me to part with thousands of pounds, especially in this climate, it had better have some pretty incredible atributes other than the reitereated pretty good chassis. I'd suggest you either keep quiet about it till its finished or stop risking your mortgage on it.
A good chassis is a given in this company. What is the USP?
A good chassis is a given in this company. What is the USP?
Max_Torque said:
wemorgan said:
Interesting concept having the aluminium tunnel section, which will give good bending stiffness but offer little in torsion stiffness. On the face of it I prefer the aluminium design of the Lotus Elise, but let's wait and see how this Zenos evolves.
Not to mention also providing a great deal of side impact protection, something that you do really want on a road car. (having had a unwanted transit van come straight into the door of an Elise i was a passenger in, i can tell you that's a useful side effect of the elise tub......)Konrod said:
I take the point about central seating, but the F1 was not the first three seater. If we ignore some of the 50s sports cars that had a sideways rear seat, the Matra Murena was the first three abreast sports car - taking your point and the target market for this project, probably a better source of inspiration although the poor guy/gal in the centre would have an aluminium spine in their butt cheeks as it sits now
Anyway, pedant mode off
What about the Ferrari 365P? That was a 3-abreast, driver in the middle supercar 15 years before the Matra...Anyway, pedant mode off
Regarding the Zenos - wake me up when it's hit the road, on the market and beating Caterham, Westfield, Radical, Ariel, Ginetta, Lotus et al. Until then, seriously disinterested. Strikes me as a few blokes, many cups of tea, some basic tools, premises and materials, photos of Colin Chapman and some Playboy Playmates (possibly in the same photos, knowing Chapman) on the walls, a hell of a lot of optimism but rather less money. Not exactly much side impact protection, by the look of things. Frankly, I think this market is crowded enough as it is without having a bunch of wannabes trying to muscle in and get their slice of the pie. Give the brands with real heritage a chance to secure their position first.
AER said:
Max_Torque said:
wemorgan said:
Interesting concept having the aluminium tunnel section, which will give good bending stiffness but offer little in torsion stiffness. On the face of it I prefer the aluminium design of the Lotus Elise, but let's wait and see how this Zenos evolves.
Not to mention also providing a great deal of side impact protection, something that you do really want on a road car. (having had a unwanted transit van come straight into the door of an Elise i was a passenger in, i can tell you that's a useful side effect of the elise tub......)I like simple lightweight cars, so this sounds interesting to me!
From the other article it seems like they have done the coatings etc first so sounds feasible.
I have wondered before if it was possible to build a car from off the shelf parts, it sounds like other than the chassis, this is what they are doing.
From the other article it seems like they have done the coatings etc first so sounds feasible.
I have wondered before if it was possible to build a car from off the shelf parts, it sounds like other than the chassis, this is what they are doing.
It is just a pity you would never quite reach your destination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Dich...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Dich...
garycat said:
It is just a pity you would never quite reach your destination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Dich...
well that was a complete waste of half an hour eating at my desk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Dich...
It's great to see a project which is truly engineering led, get the packaging right and then design a body around it - last time a heard that was the McLaren F1.
There is a fantastic opportunity for a pure, simple, low cost sports car with a focus on driving fun over performance. So many have started in that space but then got more and more expensive. Of course there is always space for more performance but I really hope that they can keep a base model that is accessible to many.
Very excited to watch developments closely and more than happy to be a early adopter if the price is right
There is a fantastic opportunity for a pure, simple, low cost sports car with a focus on driving fun over performance. So many have started in that space but then got more and more expensive. Of course there is always space for more performance but I really hope that they can keep a base model that is accessible to many.
Very excited to watch developments closely and more than happy to be a early adopter if the price is right
Hi Parsot,
You have described the ambitions of Zenos Cars very precisely. Now all we have to do is deliver.....easy eh! We know the market we hope to appeal to.......it will be for the market to tell us if we've got it right (or wrong)!
We also appreciate all the comments on this thread. It makes for interesting reading and gives us a better understanding of your perceptions.....
You have described the ambitions of Zenos Cars very precisely. Now all we have to do is deliver.....easy eh! We know the market we hope to appeal to.......it will be for the market to tell us if we've got it right (or wrong)!
We also appreciate all the comments on this thread. It makes for interesting reading and gives us a better understanding of your perceptions.....
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