RE: Sub-seven and why it matters: PH Blog
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Just going to echo some comments from the Porsche forum onto this thread.
The car hits over 300km/h near the start of the lap, but on the long straight near the end it barely reached 280km/h. Could be some form of sand bagging from Porsche for whatever reason.
Also, the 918 used in the vid likely carries the same setup as the car you'd get straight from the factory. 911s including all of the GT cars are usually setup to understeer on the factory setup, which means the 918 will likely be (and looks to be) the same.
The car hits over 300km/h near the start of the lap, but on the long straight near the end it barely reached 280km/h. Could be some form of sand bagging from Porsche for whatever reason.
Also, the 918 used in the vid likely carries the same setup as the car you'd get straight from the factory. 911s including all of the GT cars are usually setup to understeer on the factory setup, which means the 918 will likely be (and looks to be) the same.
911p said:
Just going to echo some comments from the Porsche forum onto this thread.
The car hits over 300km/h near the start of the lap, but on the long straight near the end it barely reached 280km/h. Could be some form of sand bagging from Porsche for whatever reason.
Also, the 918 used in the vid likely carries the same setup as the car you'd get straight from the factory. 911s including all of the GT cars are usually setup to understeer on the factory setup, which means the 918 will likely be (and looks to be) the same.
I noticed this, he has a play with a knob on the wheel before the long straight and the car then seems to sit at 280 odd. I think this car has more to give, it should have been doing 200mph+ towards the end. The car hits over 300km/h near the start of the lap, but on the long straight near the end it barely reached 280km/h. Could be some form of sand bagging from Porsche for whatever reason.
Also, the 918 used in the vid likely carries the same setup as the car you'd get straight from the factory. 911s including all of the GT cars are usually setup to understeer on the factory setup, which means the 918 will likely be (and looks to be) the same.
Interested to see what Mclaren and Ferrari come up with - although I don't see Ferrari playing the nurburg card. They'll just bang on about fiorano.
ArnageWRC said:
Timo Glock???? Are you sure it wasn't Timo Bernhard...... 
Porsche press release said:
All three drivers – Former European Rally Champion Walter Röhrl, Porsche test driver Timo Kluck and Porsche factory driver Marc Lieb
Forgive me; it was a noisy room and I misheard. And it'd been a long day!Corrected now.
Dan
To me, these ring times are nothing more than a pissing contest; they don't equate to how much fun the car is to drive, own or anything else relevant to me. One really good way to get the ultimate lap time is to take the driver out of the equation with better algorithms and electronics. Doesn't make it more fun to drive. I like the 918, but the CGT is more fun.
Sub 7 is very impressive.
I think their smiles will turn into frowns when Mclaren spank the time in the P1. I think the P1 will be so quick they could get Katie Price to drive a pink P1 and it would still post sub-7.
And in a years time or so, Nissan will show the new R36 GTR (with hybrid tech from Williams) and beat Porsche with a car that you can buy for about £3.50 compared to the price of the 918.
I think their smiles will turn into frowns when Mclaren spank the time in the P1. I think the P1 will be so quick they could get Katie Price to drive a pink P1 and it would still post sub-7.
And in a years time or so, Nissan will show the new R36 GTR (with hybrid tech from Williams) and beat Porsche with a car that you can buy for about £3.50 compared to the price of the 918.
toppstuff said:
Sub 7 is very impressive.
I think their smiles will turn into frowns when Mclaren spank the time in the P1. I think the P1 will be so quick they could get Katie Price to drive a pink P1 and it would still post sub-7.
According to an earlier post 7:04 was their best effort with a serious driver piloting.I think their smiles will turn into frowns when Mclaren spank the time in the P1. I think the P1 will be so quick they could get Katie Price to drive a pink P1 and it would still post sub-7.
)russy01 said:
I see what you mean about it looking easy, but what qualifies a good car?
Getting round the track smoothly and fast or being a handful and slow, but looking better on youtube?
That's a no brainer for me. If you're not racing why does it matter how fast your lap time is? The important thing on a trackday (or indeed on the road) is how much fun the car is to drive. I'd far rather have to work hard for a good lap in an oversteery MX5 than fly around in an Audi RS4 with the nice safe Germanic handling balance, all the gizmos turned on and barely having to think about controlling the car. I think even ABS is cheating Getting round the track smoothly and fast or being a handful and slow, but looking better on youtube?
TBH I don't know why the ring time matters. If you are a serious driver, wanting to post a serious time you would buy the correct tool for the job, a race car. Whilst this time is about a 6.36 if you take off the GP circuit with traffic a Porsche Carrera Cup car, second hand for sub £80k would lap not a million miles off and sub 7 minutes. GP loop is about 90 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
pw32 said:
pistolp said:
It even looks heavy. Very little movement underneath the driver. Boring if you ask me. If its mega quick and not that involving then that really does make it pointless.
Yup, the lap looked pretty ugly tbh, with the biggest problem being the tyres. A lot of time left in that, nowhere near committed over flugplatz or foxhole, which as I said is probably tyres.On another note, if Dom Jolly has lost his phone I think its been found, and since when did Porsche think it was a good idea to use a bus size steering wheel?!
I love seeing a car being driven on the limit, which is good news because I think there is plenty of time left in that one. That video looks very rushed out, either because of Frankfurt or the P1 is about to toast its ass....lets see!
lol, watch the Uwe Alzen lap on the link above, it is a million miles away from the 918 lap. Impressive as it was for a road car, why does it matter it is sub 7 minutes? I don't understand why you spend by a multiple of 3 at least on a road car to do a race cars job.
I've seen very very few super cars on the ring, and even fewer being pushed. (excluding manufacturers!)
I said the lap looked ugly, which I stand by, the car certainly isn't and the tyres are clearly at their limit as Walter Rohl himself said in the article.
I've seen very very few super cars on the ring, and even fewer being pushed. (excluding manufacturers!)
I said the lap looked ugly, which I stand by, the car certainly isn't and the tyres are clearly at their limit as Walter Rohl himself said in the article.
Very impressive engineering performance!
I do wonder how many SMILES per gallon it 'll do... not too much i guess...
I must reckon, most cars give me a very unpleasant kind of comfort these days.
Feels a bit like you've been fooled by the engineers. You're sitting in that seat and they tell you they know better than you, which they probably do, but I don't want to be confronted with that all the time.
Like most moderns (apart from a few very rare exceptions) the numbers have become more important than the fun.
I do wonder how many SMILES per gallon it 'll do... not too much i guess...
I must reckon, most cars give me a very unpleasant kind of comfort these days.
Feels a bit like you've been fooled by the engineers. You're sitting in that seat and they tell you they know better than you, which they probably do, but I don't want to be confronted with that all the time.
Like most moderns (apart from a few very rare exceptions) the numbers have become more important than the fun.
Sport Coupe said:
nonuts said:
It could be that the battery is dead at the end of the lap and it can only do it's true top speed with the full charge earlier in the lap.
This.Begining of lap the Boost indicator is full, whereas at the end of the lap it was nearly gone.
Not great for track days then.
strummerville said:
I like the fact that Walter Rohl (long time hero) was quicker than the hot shoes at the end of the first day!
Yeah, that was pretty cool. An according to Dr Frank he spent the whole night in the restaurant beaming about it and making sure the young lads knew it. And he was meant to be there as the voice of reason to make sure nobody got carried away! And I have to say, whatever you think about the car, hanging out with the team behind it is really inspirational stuff. You'll have got an idea of this from Chris's videos and the interviews with Frank but it's pretty hard to be cynical when faced with such enthusiasm and joy for the job at hand. It's a 'because it's there' challenge but, by heck, when they go for it they don't do half measures.
I'm sure you'd get the same hanging out with the McLaren and Ferrari guys too but there really are some very clever people doing some pretty amazing stuff. We can - and will - argue the toss about whether it's the *right* stuff but credit where it's due. Fascinating people to hang out with and a real honour to do so.
At some point I'll talk more about the other guy - Michael Holscher - and his previous work, which includes the Carrera GT and collaborative projects like the Merc 500E and RS2 from back in the day. Very cool dude.
Dan
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