RE: Sub-seven and why it matters: PH Blog
Discussion
pw32 said:
May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
On the contrary - I don't think many serious car enthusiasts pay much attention to top speed at all these days.Like it or not the 'Ring time is the "uber" metric nowadays, and given that it symbolises so much, you can bet Porsche are happy to have broken the sub-seven first. It will be a while before anyone gets below six minutes.
markcoznottz said:
Joe911 said:
British Beef said:
Did the Mclaren F1 ever record a ring lap?
We've talked about this a great deal and to my knowledge there are no credible times.There is a time quoted somewhere (wikipedia maybe) but I believe it is utter rubbish.
Given current F1 values it seems unlikely there will ever be a time set.
71tuscan said:
Sport Coupe said:
nonuts said:
It could be that the battery is dead at the end of the lap and it can only do it's true top speed with the full charge earlier in the lap.
This.Begining of lap the Boost indicator is full, whereas at the end of the lap it was nearly gone.
Not great for track days then.
Pretty amazing, fast lap. I found the understeer really annoying though (or did I imagine it?). That must be the only way to get a fast lap with a heavy(ish) car, and using the front drive to pull it around the corners. It didn't look like much fun to drive.
The camera they had in the car had an excellent picture. I wish all NS laps were filmed as well as that one.
Anyway, well done Porsche. I can't wait for the MacLaren and Ferrari attempts (if they're brave enough).
As for the negatives about the Nordschleife, it seems like an excellent measure of a car's abilities on real roads. All types of curves, gradients, and bumps. Much more representative of B-roads than any flat track with smooth surfaces. Lovely place.
The camera they had in the car had an excellent picture. I wish all NS laps were filmed as well as that one.
Anyway, well done Porsche. I can't wait for the MacLaren and Ferrari attempts (if they're brave enough).
As for the negatives about the Nordschleife, it seems like an excellent measure of a car's abilities on real roads. All types of curves, gradients, and bumps. Much more representative of B-roads than any flat track with smooth surfaces. Lovely place.
71tuscan said:
I would even dare to bet they installed exactly the amount of batteries necessary to make it do only one extremely good lap on the Ring.
Surely they can't strip out the cars or they're no longer "standard". Presumably they just filled the batteries with less electricity to save weight 
pw32 said:
TBH I don't know why the ring time matters. If you are a serious driver, wanting to post a serious time you would buy the correct tool for the job, a race car. Whilst this time is about a 6.36 if you take off the GP circuit with traffic a Porsche Carrera Cup car, second hand for sub £80k would lap not a million miles off and sub 7 minutes. GP loop is about 90 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
Any 'serious driver' in the market for one of these probably already has access to a race car or two already if that way inclined. It's a pointless metric in isolation but so are all of them. Your argument's akin to saying "who cares if it does 0-60 in 3 seconds anyway, any serious driver would buy a dragster". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
I agree it didn't looked the most exciting lap I ever seen on the Ring but this can also show how capable and composed the car is.
About the relevance of the time as a performance index for potential buyers and enthusiasts I don't know, it is subjective.
For me it is important because I know the ciruit, I have been there a lot of times, my dad already talked about it when I was a kid, I lapped it in cars and bikes, I went to see the races.
About the relevance of the time as a performance index for potential buyers and enthusiasts I don't know, it is subjective.
For me it is important because I know the ciruit, I have been there a lot of times, my dad already talked about it when I was a kid, I lapped it in cars and bikes, I went to see the races.
Debaser said:
The lap times might be a pissing contest, but they are also a good indicator of how capable the car is at going (very) fast along a country road.
In theory yes, if there were perfect visibility and the guarantee of nothing coming the other way, but in the real world the ability to cover ground on the road is primarily a function of driver skill and confidence (thereby rendering the 'Ring time nothing more than a theoretical exercise for road cars).I have done many thousands of road miles in convoy with all kinds of machinery humble and exotic. One of the most consistently quick drivers I know drives a MINI diesel.
pw32 said:
TBH I don't know why the ring time matters. If you are a serious driver, wanting to post a serious time you would buy the correct tool for the job, a race car. Whilst this time is about a 6.36 if you take off the GP circuit with traffic a Porsche Carrera Cup car, second hand for sub £80k would lap not a million miles off and sub 7 minutes. GP loop is about 90 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
That sure highlights how heavy the 918 is. At 1665kg with the Weissach Package, it seems a technological masterpiece but at a cost.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JyFJ11_zMc
When you see the committment over Flugplatz and Foxhole you can see the difference between a road car and a race car. May as well go back to arguing about top speed..... which is more what the average buyer will care about anyway.
AFAIK the P1 is sub-1400kg and the The Ferrari is sub-1300kg (all dry weights). It will be interesting to see ring footage of them both.
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